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1. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Aparently, Canada is none too popular at the UN Climate Conference. Although the last government signed the Kyoto Protocol , the new government is claiming that they "cannot meet Kyoto targets for pollution reduction". Lord help us if we back out altogether. One more example of a government being completely out of touch with its people.

Just wanted to say sorry about that. I'll kick an MP if I see one, promise.

2. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

If it's any consolation, T, it's probably the US's fault.....no need to apologize. Now that the Left (here) has regained control of Congress, perhaps there will be a bit more pressure to actually do something. In the meantime, plant a few trees!!

If you like, we can send you Al Gore...

3. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Oddly enough, I am with Harper on this one - The Kyoto Protcol is bunk. Even countries meet their targets it will be too late, plus the rich countries (which we are one) can buy carbon credits from a poor nation and still the carbon doth flow from the ground.

4. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 9y

most of the CO2 emmissions come from just a few countries (USA, China) and it's these countries that hold the key.
There is a huge debate here in the UK at the moment, but a small country can only do so much. The UK produces approx 5% of the worlds CO2 emmissions (small when considering it's in the top 6 economy size wise), so if the kyoto agreement were to work, it's the largest nations that need to do something fast and take responsibility for their pollution also.
This is not saying that countries like China and India shouldn't have the same industrial oppertunities of the western countries to raise their standard of livings (a US citizen uses approx 20 times more carbon emmissions as their chinese counterpart), but this is a situation where the world needs to get together and act for the common good.
If certian rich countries have to pay poorer nations to plant trees etc.. then so be it, but goverments need to regulate and legislate to compel all companies and people to nutralise their carbon footprint. This includes packaging, recycling, transport, power generation, food, clothes, family size, insurance, and services etc...
Goverments must also get their own house in order, small things like leaving lights on in empty buildings at night all add to wasted energy.
A new coal fired powerstation gets opened in China every 4 to 6 days, their increase in capacity every year is equal to the entire UK grid output. More enviromentaly frendly ways of doing things need to be found and fast. The US is still the 'dirty nation' of the world, a sad title to have especially when they only have 300mil people.

It's time for EVERYONE to stand up and smell the smoke.
If you want to bring kids into this world, let them at least have one they can breath in.

Jase hands over the ranting ......

5. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Quoting Jase007

It's time for EVERYONE to stand up and smell the smoke.
If you want to bring kids into this world, let them at least have one they can breath in.

Exactly why people should join VHEMT :p

I agree Jase, but honestly, and not trying to be a cynic, I don't see it happening. Technology isn't going to save us. Only complete reversal of human thinking or a die-off of biblical proportions.

[ Edit: Edited at Nov 14, 2006 2:54 PM by Brendan ]

6. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

My theory is that if the world thinks goodie goodie Canada is not meeting Kyoto, everybody will forget the US didn't sign. It's the US' fault! It's always the US' fault....

BAD US !!

7. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Quoting Q_

BAD US !!

Good as both "U.S." and "Us"... ;)

8. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

Quoting Jase007

It's time for EVERYONE to stand up and smell the smoke.
If you want to bring kids into this world, let them at least have one they can breath in.

Exactly why people should join VHEMT :p

I agree Jase, but honestly, and not trying to be a cynic, I don't see it happening. Technology isn't going to save us. Only complete reversal of human thinking or a die-off of biblical proportions.

Totally agree, most technology has done anything but be good for the environment.
But alas, as humans are actually parasites I can't see any improvement ever happening. History tells us that so called civilization has only ever been capable or destroying the environment around them.

9. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

Quoting Q_

BAD US !!

Good as both "U.S." and "Us"... ;)

;)

10. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

The Kyoto agreement may not be perfect, B, but at some point we HAVE to all agree on something. People definitely have to play their own roles and take personal responsibility, but governments have to show they're serious and united about it.

And I don't think Harper backed out because he felt Kyoto didn't go far enough. He and his minister with the flame-retardant hair are just leaning the way of big business. The shift in this country is quick and scary.