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31. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

All of you who have been adding dates to your photos will find them automatically linked to your trips.

All except mine?

If I look at Thailand (Apr-May 06) for example, the first photos it shows me are from Austria in 2005...

The green line is a new trip that I have created and as you can see, it's now possible to group together countries under one long trip, or have lots of smaller point to point trips set up.

How??? It's failing miserably for me. I've been trying to map my "big" trip as a line, but it doesn't like it.

Also, the whole map refresh is taking a good 8-10mins to refresh the page (rest of TP is fine), and then often hasn't saved my maps.

Finally, HELP!!
Does ANYBODY have any idea as to how the heck I can vaguely easily try and map even a year of my history, as I have many overlapping countries/months (i.e. one month can easily be overlapped by 40countries), to make it in any way useful??

Any useful suggestions/help will be rewarded with beer or choclate (delete as appropriate) or potentially, criptic postcards from obscure locations.

32. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

All of you who have been adding dates to your photos will find them automatically linked to your trips.

All except mine?

In the display view (what other people see), they will be automatically linked once you've positioned them on the map. That is, if you look at a single trip on the map, those photos that have been positioned on the map and have dates that fall within the time period of the trip, will also show. (When the dates aren't precise (just a month or year) we also show edge-cases, but use black dots for them, rather than the same color as the trip line.)

If I look at Thailand (Apr-May 06) for example, the first photos it shows me are from Austria in 2005...

Ah, no, that's not the view that Sam was talking about. You've toggled to the photos tab in editing view, there. That shows all photos, grouped by country, so that you can go and position them on the map. (Click on the photo, click on the right position on the map (after zooming in), done.) Austria simply is the first country you have photos from, so that shows first. Cambodia should come next, and so on.
Just underneath those photos should be a link to quickly see the photos from a different country.

The green line is a new trip that I have created and as you can see, it's now possible to group together countries under one long trip, or have lots of smaller point to point trips set up.

How??? It's failing miserably for me. I've been trying to map my "big" trip as a line, but it doesn't like it.

In the map management screen (which shows all your trips), hit the checkboxes behind those automatically converted "trips" that together form the big trip. Then click on the "group selected trips" button, and in the resulting screen, give a name to this new trip.

Now, with a lot of countries visited during the same month, we won't know how to order them, so that might get things wrong. But you can use the little square arrow up and down buttons in the "your trip so far" list underneath the form to reorder destinations.

  • looks closer* For you specifically things seem to go wrong, however, because you've used the old travel log differently from how most people have. Rather than listing each visit to a country separately, you've grouped them together, saying for example "visited multiple times during May 1995 - Oct 2004". We do our sorting - when grouping - by date of first entry, and when those are the same, by date of first departure. So including any converted country-trip that has such a large timeperiod assigned to it will cause our default ordering to be wrong. The system simply doesn't have enough information to get such things right.

Also, the whole map refresh is taking a good 8-10mins to refresh the page (rest of TP is fine), and then often hasn't saved my maps.

Wow, performance has been an issue, and I at least am still not entirely happy with it, but that is just completely unreasonable. 4-5 seconds to load a large new set of citynames to display on the map is the worst I can get it to do for me. Are you on dialup? But even so... On what page specifically (url?), after taking which specific action? (Zooming in on the map with the zoom button? Clicking a specific location on the map to assign a destination? ...?) And what exactly is slow? do country borders and coast lines load quickly, while you have to wait for trip lines and city labels, or is it the other way around, or...? The more information I have, the better. That way I might be able to reproduce and find if there's an edge case where you're hitting a really slow query or unindexed table or something.

Does ANYBODY have any idea as to how the heck I can vaguely easily try and map even a year of my history, as I have many overlapping countries/months (i.e. one month can easily be overlapped by 40countries), to make it in any way useful??

Heh, tough one - I don't think there's any system which could accurately give a good overview of such travel volume. Of course, it depends a bit on what exactly you intend to show, and thus what you consider useful.
You could try putting in the entire trip precisely. (In which case I'd recommend starting from scratch rather than trying to work with grouped old country-trips.) That'll be a very large amount of work (I'm still waiting for a free day to do my own 2+ years backpacking trip - right now I've only merged the countries), but where the old travel log system wasn't granular beyond the level of month and country, the map allows you to put in precise dates and locations within countries (and you can zoom in quite far, to where a large city would take up a significant portion of the map). Depending on if you jumped all over the place, or traveled in a more or less progressive line, the resulting output might be surprisingly decent. (In the display view, when looking at the entire world, we group nearby location together so that the map doesn't get too cluttered. Take a look for example at one of Niels' South American trips; he hasn't done specific dates, but he has put in specific locations, and thus created a pretty cool 'string of beads' tripline that gets more detailed the closer you zoom in.)

I hope that helps a bit. Let me know on that performance problem, and I'll see if I can do anything about it. (Also, you might want to try things like upgrading to the latest version of the flash player if you haven't yet.)

33. Posted by Ahila (Inactive 1529 posts) 9y

Thanks, Sander. I clicked on the link and found all my trips in one map. I also put up some near-future planned trips.

Great work!
Thanks,
Ahila.

34. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 9y

Quoting Sander

You could try putting in the entire trip precisely. (In which case I'd recommend starting from scratch rather than trying to work with grouped old country-trips.) That'll be a very large amount of work (I'm still waiting for a free day to do my own 2+ years backpacking trip - right now I've only merged the countries), but where the old travel log system wasn't granular beyond the level of month and country, the map allows you to put in precise dates and locations within countries (and you can zoom in quite far, to where a large city would take up a significant portion of the map). Depending on if you jumped all over the place, or traveled in a more or less progressive line, the resulting output might be surprisingly decent.

So, for the record, right now I'm about a third of the way through with mapping my own trip like this. The 126 destinations I've mapped so far have taken me a couple of hours of work, but I'm putting in some notes for every destination as well, which is slowing down overall progress. (I'm also bothering to look up exact coordinates of locations that aren't in the database, but I assume the same would go for you.)

Doing this, I'm frankly surprised at how well the entire application performs. I knew it'd be decent (otherwise I wouldn't have wanted to push it live), but I'd expected more little issues while actually using it as extensively as I've been doing now. The main - and only - issue for me has been the flash sometimes not willing to give up focus, and typing in a textarea or input field thus not working. Clicking outside it and then back in fixes that, and other than that it's just all been very smooth going.

35. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 9y

Quoting Sander

Doing this, I'm frankly surprised at how well the entire application performs.

I certainly second that; also mapped a good part of my trips by now, and run into very few problems. I only wondered what happens with places I enter myself when they're not in your GEO-database. Are they added to it so other travellers can use them, too, or are they just loose bits of data?

Niels

36. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

All of you who have been adding dates to your photos will find them automatically linked to your trips.

All except mine?

If I look at Thailand (Apr-May 06) for example, the first photos it shows me are from Austria in 2005...

The green line is a new trip that I have created and as you can see, it's now possible to group together countries under one long trip, or have lots of smaller point to point trips set up.

How??? It's failing miserably for me. I've been trying to map my "big" trip as a line, but it doesn't like it.

Also, the whole map refresh is taking a good 8-10mins to refresh the page (rest of TP is fine), and then often hasn't saved my maps.

Finally, HELP!!
Does ANYBODY have any idea as to how the heck I can vaguely easily try and map even a year of my history, as I have many overlapping countries/months (i.e. one month can easily be overlapped by 40countries), to make it in any way useful??

Any useful suggestions/help will be rewarded with beer or choclate (delete as appropriate) or potentially, criptic postcards from obscure locations.

Gelli, I looked at all your trips, and I have one remark: Aland Islands are in the middel of africa located. Just to let you know!

37. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 9y

Quoting bentivogli

I only wondered what happens with places I enter myself when they're not in your GEO-database. Are they added to it so other travellers can use them, too, or are they just loose bits of data?

Something in between. They're there for you to use and re-use, and will show to the public on your map, but other people creating maps won't see them. This is so people could rename locations to their own language variants ("Paris"->"Parijs") without inconveniencing anyone else, because a lot of locations simply wouldn't make sense for other people (I've mapped a couple like "somewhere along I-5" and "just off the coast of Kaikoura"), and to ward off the unlikely case of someone deliberately adding a lot of nonsensical and plain wrong locations to mess up the map for everyone else.

38. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 9y

Would be nice to have the possibility of submitting your coordinates for incorporation in the database if they represent a canonical location. Any chance of such a feature being added soon? Probably too complicated, eh?

39. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 9y

If it's a really major city that's missing (which is quite possible), feel free to tell us about it and we can manually add it to the DB. But yeah, anything on a larger scale isn't in the picture right now. (I also figure that in a few months we could have a look at the compete list of manually added locations, see if there's any that we recognize and/or have been added by two or more people and would thus be good candidates for making available to everyone.)

40. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

Actually, I was positively surprised about some really small places which were in the DB.
One suggestion would be though, to have the possibility to add for example just a province or state, like Normandy in France or Michigan in the US.
And some significant geographic locations like the Northcape in Norway.

In general, this new Travel map tool is really great. The options and the way it looks on the map are magnificent! So thanks.