i exploited the topic in my own way.
the question was '"Why not go to China ?"' and i gave my reasons, because my dog is on someones plate.
others went of the topic so i reacted, if i refer to other countrys this means that i am going of the topic? because it is not specific to china but specific that germans eat horse? im sharing an experience that would be similar to me eating dog in china. if that is called going of the topic then everyone is guilty in tp...including the admins...yes i talked about other stuff...if i talk about china government does this mean i am going of the topic because it is to do with politics? but the topic does say "Why not go to China ?" so this can involve anything and everything.
yah...end of of my topic...everyones opinion and prospective is different.
i thought tp was about sharing experiences and encounters...
Again Oslaue - if you read ALL your posts you do go off topic - if you wish to start a thread on these in their own right you can but do not hijack the threads to make irrelevant posts.
Also the tone in which you write can also come across as offensive to others - please be mindful of the other TP members who use this site too.
Ive always dreamed of going to china since i was a child ,
i hear china can be quite expensive compared to thailand\vietnam etc is this true?
Plus i hear the borders are a bit tight to get through!.
one of the cheapest round the world tickets has hong kong on route,
Dear all, This thread appears to be getting out of hand. As this thread was actually started by someone who wanted to ask a simple question which was: "Why not go to China". As most of you are sitting at home in your various countrys replying to this thread, maybe it's best for someone (namely me) an English man who is actually living and working in China to respond accordingly to any queries any of you may have. As I am not Chinese I have the prospective to give factual answers to your various bullshit statments!
(PLEASE DONT THE ABOVE COMMENT WAS NOT DIRECTED AT ALL OF YOU)
I will add to this thread that I have been to many countrys and I have never been to one that is as good as this one. Please feel free to comment... Paul
A lot of people are visiting China. I was astounded by the number of foreigners I encountered in Beijing. I did enjoy Beijing, and I'm looking forward to visiting again, but it really felt like a Western city after living in Sichuan. You almost don't have to know a word of Chinese at all to survive in Beijing, and I mainly got the sense of commercialized culture.
China is no doubt an experience, because there's nothing like China. I think though that if someone wants to truly experience China, they need to visit more places than just Beijing or Shanghai. You'd really be missing out otherwise.
About eating dog and other mystery meats... Unless the dish was made especially for you, it is okay to say no if you are reluctant about eating certain things, just do so respectfully. And, by the way, dog is not a dish served everywhere in China, though it is served in some places; China's the place where popular myth can be both true and false.
.... As most of you are sitting at home in your various countrys replying to this thread, maybe it's best for someone (namely me) an English man who is actually living and working in China to respond accordingly to any queries any of you may have....Please feel free to comment... Paul
First of all, making your text bold does not make it any more valid. Like all caps on the web, it is tantamount to shouting.
Second, self appointed experts rarely are. I see from your profile that you are a "teacher". I assume, since you say you are living and working in China, that you are an English teacher there. I would hope that you aren't passing on to your students the basic English mistakes you have made in your post (e.g., "countrys" instead of countries).
As you point out, this conversation has been infused with prejudice and I do understand your frustration at the ignorance shown by some of the posts.
Rather than positing yourself as the expert that everyone should recognize instantly as the only authority on this subject; however, I think that you should attempt to establish your credibility through posting thoughtfully and not overreacting to what you see as egregious posts. Believe it or not, most people can spot prejudice and can make their own decisions about it without your help.
I hope you don't think my criticism is too harsh, but you did say "...feel free to comment."
Woo... I just come back to this website for two days. What am I finding out? !
I think firstly I should thank you to have Oslaue's point here ,though the fact that I am not agree with him.
He gives part of the answer to this thread I want. No matter what ,I have get someting from him and learned to know reasons of people don't go to China ,this amazing country. And thank you for all for the points here ! ^^...
I'm glad you came back to see what your question has started! My initial post was an agreement with your sentiment that China is an excellent place to visit. Here, I'll switch gears, since you really want to know the reasons people don't want to come to China. Many of these points are from the reaction I get from people who I tell that I am going to go to China.
1. Since the Tienanmen Square in 1989, many people think that China is still a completely totalitarian state with no freedom. In my view, the causes and issues surrounding that incident are much more complicated, but most people view the world in relatively black and white terms.
2. Pollution - Due to the massive building and infrastructure boom in China right now, it seems that much of the environment is being destroyed. This has happened in all countries transitioning out of being an agricultural state into an industrial state. This happened in England and the United States in the neighborhood of 100 years ago in what we call the "Industrial Revolution". Eventually, the money made from the massive increase in productivity can be reinvested in making the industrial complex less environmentally harmful. In England, for instance, well into the 1970s, at least, the "London Fog" was pea soup smog that included smoke from industry and coal burning (like China now). England has cleaned up massively from that time and much of the smog problem has gone away.
Because these other countries have already been through those stages of development; however, the people in those societies will criticize a country for pollution without understanding that they, too, have to go through the growing pains of becoming industrialized.
3. Ignorance because of government propaganda about China - I am 46 years old, so I grew up during the Cold War between the US and the Soviet Union. During this time, our schools in the US did not teach a balanced view of world history. They lumped China in with the USSR because of the label "communist" and (again because people want to simplify life to black and white) labeled them as "bad". So, most people of my generation (I was 11 when Nixon visited China in 1972) never learned much about Chinese history and don't understand what a rich and fascinating history your country has.
4. Ignorance and prejudice from other sources - oslaue's comments are a good example of this, so I won't elaborate further.
5. Language and culture barrier - Many people see the hanzi (Chinese written characters) and fear that they won't understand a culture so foreign to them. Of course, this is not the case if they are going to Vietnam and Thailand. From the US, for instance, these type of people are more likely to go to Europe (where, even if they don't speak the same language, they are comforted that they use the same alphabet) or Australia than to what may be considered more exotic locales.
I hope this gives you food for thought on why some people might not want to travel to China. Personally, I am happy that not so many people want to visit China. After all, the more foreigners that are there, the less unique China's culture becomes. Lugor79 pointed out that China's culture has already been hugely changed. I hope to travel to some places that are less "westernized" to experience at least a semblance of China's old culture. Unfortunately, that will mean that I will be part of the westernizing, but I'll try to minimize that impact.
Guys - keep it friendly please - l will have no choice but to edit or delete posts if l think it is getting out of hand.
Yes l have been to China (only Beijing mind you) and l found it an interesting experience - l only saw a minute part of the vast country so l would not and could not give an opinion on the country as a whole, but l would encourange anyone thinking about visiting to go for it and no l did not eat any dogs whilst there - in fact l saw quite a few with dogs as obvious pets!
The thread has gone off topic and l have made comment previously about the comments members have posted so l would ask you all to post only in relation to the topic.
aggree with you. China has many places you can visit