I'm doing my final year dissertation on ground zero in New York looking at the reasons people chose to visit it and why its such a popular tourist destination now.
If theres anyone thats been I could really use your help in filling in a short questionnaire and in return you'll be entered into a prize draw to win a £25 Amazon voucher.
I hope you don't think I'm spamming but I'm kind of a loose end finding enough people that have been.
The website address to access the questionnaire is
Thank you very much
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im amused that you call ground zero a 'tourist attraction'!
no one goes to new york just to see ground zero! there is lots of things to do and see in new york besides ground zero!
i personally think that it was a bigger tourist attraction before the attacks then after! whats left? big empty space and a lot of contruction work going on there!
ground zero happens to be in centre of new york, its unavoidable so people will obviously just want to see the sure scale of the damage that was done from the attacks
if ground zero was out of new york then probably a lot of people would not visit ground zero!
mind you, you will probably never read this thread again.
[ Edit: Edited on Jan 7, 2007, at 10:23 AM by oslaue ]
Actually the attacks on Ground Zero prompted a new kind of tourism known as Dark tourism. Lonely planet recently dedicated their 2007 Blue Guide on it since it has become such a big phenonema. Dark tourism is basically tourists going to visit these destinations that are otherwise places of mass death or destruction. In my dissertation I'm simply concentrating on Ground Zero as its the biggest and best example, other examples include seeing the Tsunamis effect on Thailand, visiting concentration camps, Anne franks house etc..
I'm unsure why seem so angry with me, I simply needed some help so I figured a travel forum would be the best place. Surely the fact I'm doing a tourism degree would show that i'm intrested enough in travel to come back to this forum.
Dark Tourism has become popular recently. There are many people who travel to New York just to visit Ground Zero and pay their respects, just as there are many who travel to the Garden of Reflection Memorial in Shanksville, Pennsylvania for the same reason. Thousands of people travel to Washington DC to see the Viet Nam Memorial and/or the WWII Memorial only.
Here's a link to a thread in General Talk about dark tourism and where people have visited:
As a side note, some people do not understand another person's choices in destinations because they do not share the same interests. Others just lack grace and the ability to respond in a positive manner. I am sure there are members who have visited New York and will have some input.
Also, Emily, I had to remove the link for the questionaire. Because most of the requests for such postings appear in the General Talk Forum, a thread was posted there requiring pre-approvel before placing a link in a thread. Since you have posted in North America, you did not see that thread and did not know of the requirement. Members who have information and wish to answer the questionaire may contact you via the Message Center. Here is the link for the GT thread:
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im not angry!
you cant compare ground zero to nazi concentration camps!
concentration camps is far more interesting cos there is huge history!
plus millions were executed not just 3,000 people! the concentrations camps are still there, all the equipment etc...
whats left at ground zero? nothing! theres actually nothing to see! at a concentration camp there is everything to see!
i dont believe or accept dark tourism! this is obviously a new trend that has been created and only in existance since sep 11 2001.
people visiting concentration camps and a country = tourism
visiting new york and seeing ground zero = tourism
dark tourism = tourism...they are the same.
i dont believe someone travels to see a memorial...whats at ground zero? peoples names on cheap plastic sign fenced to a cage. i only believe the people that would travel there for only those reasons are people who had a loved one who died / injured etc.
go to bergisch gladbach in germany and visit my little town...more history there as i was born there!
and i have visited new york but 1 month before the attacks.
hmmm is killing fields associated with dark tourism? i have no idea what the killing fields is like...probably its just fields...but having been in new york and seen all the photos of ground zero then i hardly find it appealing to visit just for that reason.
i dont fill out questionaires anymore...last time i did was on a street and woman brought me into some building and i sat at a computer for 30 min, another time, i give my email address and they just send me crap!
oslaue - Are you seriously claiming that 'dark tourism' didn't exist before 9/11? The term for it may be new but the concept certainly isn't. People have been visiting places where significant human events have happened for years and years. The nazi concentration camps are a good example. Surely you can see that ground zero wasn't just a random event, it was a result of conflict between the western world and the middle east. Theres plenty of history to read into around that should you care to look. I also find it unbelivable that you say concentration camps are a more worthly place to visit because millions of people were killed there "not just 3000". Ground Zero isn't somewhere I'd chose to visit but people do because each one of those people could easily have been someone they knew. It could have been any one of us in there and thats what people relate to. People visit places like ground zero to pay their respects to the people that died there. I recently visited Pearl Harbour in Hawaii and many of the people there were visiting to show their appreciatation for the solidiers that died there, who, regardless of whether you agree with war, were there for their country.
To be honest, I'm not even convinced that you're a real poster and not just a troll spamming to provoke a reaction...and thats why I'm not going to say anything else on the subject except maybe you sould keep your opinions to yourself if you haven't got anything positive to contribute.
oslaue - Are you seriously claiming that 'dark tourism' didn't exist before 9/11? The term for it may be new but the concept certainly isn't. People have been visiting places where significant human events have happened for years and years.
I've never referred to it as 'Dark Tourism" before, but I have this thing about visiting cemeteries wheverever I go. I find it fascinating to see how different countries pay respects to their dead and, in older cemeteries, how gravesites and epitaphs and names and such change over time. It's an engrossing, humbling experience. I also went to visit the D-Day beaches a few years ago - again, to pay respects and retrace some of my grandfather's footsteps. "Dark Tourism may be a misnomer (it conjures up images of vampires and the like to me), but it's definitely the kind of travel people have been doing for ages.
The killing fields (at Chuong Ek) are not just normal green fields, first of all you have all the limbless beggars outside who are victims of landmines, then you have the 17,000 skulls that were dug up from the site, then you have all the mass graves marked out with how many bodies were in that particular grave.
It's not like your average stroll around a nice green field.
People have different reasons for 'dark tourism'. I visit places like this as i tend to read about the history behind why things like this happen, read personal accounts of what people involved acutally went through and to actually visit the sites helps to reinforce my knowledge/understanding of events.
Well, getting back to the poster's original question, I have been to New York only once, and it was specifically for something related to Ground Zero. My husband and I sing with the St. Louis Symphony Chorus, and we were scheduled as a part of a series featuring the SLSO at Carnegie Hall. We performed John Adams's "On the Transmigration of Souls," which was composed as a tribute to 09/11, and had not been performed in NY since its premiere, and the second half was Brahms's "German Requiem." As you can imagine, it was a very emotional concert, and quite a few people in the chorus at one point or another had problems singing just because of the emotional factor.
For more info on either piece, just do a google search, especially for the lyrics. One thing to note with the Adams is that he took his lyrics from signs that were posted around NY after 09/11. Some of it can still be seen, or at least could be seen in April of this past year. We went down to the Trade Center site the morning after singing the concert. It was a very haunting experience, seeing the messages that still dot the periphery. Then going into one of the remaining buildings for a coffee at Starbucks before walking down Battery Park, it felt like I was taking part in something that countless workers who never saw anything like this coming and were just going about their daily lives when it hit...
I have one picture that still rattles me. We were walking down one street, and as we crossed another, for whatever reason I snapped a couple of pictures looking down the cross street. The only pictures I had seen of this intersection before were of people running in terror, and it seemed so wrong to see throngs of tourists, office workers, and other folk just going about their business on the same road.
[ Edit: Edited on Jan 9, 2007, at 12:07 AM by rbyslipahs ]
no dark tourism has always existed...but the word probably only came to be known after sep 11....yeah exactly its a new word...
in every country there is history! and when there is history often you will find that there is murder and slaughter.
i cant compare ground zero to a nazi concentration camp because there is nothing to see at ground zero! thats my point! if no one ever knew about sep 11 and they visited ground zero they wouldnt even know what happened, they would just think its a huge contruction site...the give away is the names on plastic boards on a fence beside the construction site.
go to a nazi concentration camp and you and you will be like...shit...what happened here! what was this place used for? etc....your in wonder.
ground zero wasnt just a random event i admit and i agree...it was a very dark day for the world. i believe had the towers not collapsed then it wouldnt have been as big and perhaps the jumbos aswell. if someone had just blew up a huge bomb and killed 3,000 people then we probably wouldnt be even talking about this...
but the real thing is...america were hit under there noses in there own back yard! thats the interesting part, because they thought and everyone thought that they were invincible! seeing the biggest and the worlds most powerful nation in the world brought to its knees was very scary!
go to ireland and there has been bombings all over the place! but i dont see thousands of people coming here to visit? and theres probably more history with the irish and the british than the americans and the middle east.
i have no idea of americans foreign policys...but many people tell me they understand why a lot of people dislike america because of these reasons. they just tell me if i lived in the middle east then i would understand why...i have no opinion on that as i know little about american foreign policys.
my real point is...if and when i visit new york again and go to ground zero...what am i going to see? NOTHING! o i forgot i will see a new building twice the size of the twin towers when its built.
ground zero...someone you knew? your from the uk right? tell me this...what is the difference between sep 11 2001 in new york and july 7th attacks in london? NOTHING! but its amazing how many people always talk about sep 11th and everyone just forgets july 7th...i caught up in the bombings in london july 7th but to me that was just like any other bombing in the world! like new york!
just the fact that america got attacked on there own soil...
chix...i understand that what you say about dark tourism...i agree ''dark tourism' didn't exist before 9/11? The term for it may be new but the concept certainly isn't. People have been visiting places where significant human events have happened for years and years' im saying i dont accept the word!
how many people will visit london for july 7th attacks? how many? NO ONE WILL!
now the killing fields sound interesting from daveh...
i have a question for someone.....WHY DID THE SEP 11TH ATTACKS? what is its history? so someone had a reason to bomb america?
rbyslipahs: the reasons why you went to ground zero are very different to the reasons why these 'dark tourism' people visit ground zero.
but if you were not in that choir then you probably wouldnt be visiting ground zero
just because america got bombed in there own back yard for the first time people make a big hoo ha! when in fact the uk had been getting bombed on there own soil for 30 years or so...
a rare event for america and huge publicity! plus it was apparent that that the twin towers could not be brought down and they were...
plus one day...if the word 'dark tourism' is continously used it will be described to describe people who are interested in death, massive graves, killings, slaughters' etc and then sick people...
similar to the word alcoholic!
[ Edit: Edited on Jan 9, 2007, at 2:08 AM by oslaue ]