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71. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting looking175

To Mally

Don't hate those who feel contempt towards americans who are only responsible for death and illogical decisions which benefit themselves and no one else. I was in America and the things they do there are just idiotic and go against anything christian or even religious for that matter. They hate even themselves which explains why they have to kill so many.

I cry to think that if the world unites against America we might be able to achieve WORLD PEACE and love for everyone in the world. The worlds greatest obstacle is America.

This post by looking175, and his previous one, could have been cut and pasted for any of the myriad Islamist/Jihadi websites.
America is evil, the Great Satan, must be destroyed, blah, blah, blah.
This internet and the freedom it gives all of us wouldn't exist without the USA and the rest of the democratic world (which rests on america's continuing existence).
Same for our democratic rights, our careers, our nation's economies, our lifestyles and our travel opportunities.
Anti-americanism = intellectual cred (generally with little or no knowledge).
That's enough political bollocks this thread needs.

If any american TP gets treated badly when travelling overseas, act atrociously and claim to be Canadian.
I've experienced some horrible yanks (and scots/english/german/australian,etc, etc) on my travels and some beautiful members of every nation on earth.
One old yank, ex-military from the WWII occupation forces in Japan, helped me get over my EXTREME 'Lost In Translation' episode on my second day in Tokyo back in 1983, and for that I am eternally grateful.

To all american TP members, let me simply say 'Nils Carborundum Illigitimi'.

72. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Are we still on about this? Sheesh...

Quick note - the internet is now global in scale and doesn't require the existance of anyone country to work. And democracy was around before the United States.

Hugs & Kisses,
B

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 14, 2006, at 11:03 AM by Brendan ]

73. Posted by isisshuru (Full Member 57 posts) 9y

[quote=looking175]
I was in America and the things they do there are just idiotic and go against anything christian or even religious for that matter. They hate even themselves which explains why they have to kill so many.
quote]

Um...I think I would like to say...like, oh my gosh!... your powers of perception may need to be recharged. Last time I checked, America, had freedom of religion; yep, my horrible public AMERICAN education at LEAST taught me that. So the fact that religion is mostly devoid of politics and culture---oh yeah, that whole 'separation of church and state" and freedom to find your OWN god-thingy. Be it God, Budda, or Allah, do as you wish, and NOT be killed because of it.

By the way, side note, what freaking women did you meet in America that would sleep with some drunk 19-yr old that walked up to them and acted in the manner you described? At the very least, he would be slapped. I'm sorry if you really did witness such a scene, but don't be so narrow-minded like every single one of us greedy, fat, murderous Americans. I have been approached in that manner in several countries, but none more than in the Middle East. It has been explained (by the same men that do it) that those actions are based on stereotypes, not actual encounters. Trust me, American women's reaction to such behavior is far from amourous.

By the way, I don't hate myself, but if I did, I know a good therapist.
Take your own damn advice dude. Stop pounding the pulpit and put that energy into gaining some real insight.

74. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

In my recent travels, i was relieved, to hear that Americans are so anti Bush.
In fact, none of the ones I spoke with approved of him. Most felt embarassed, by him.
This has certainly made me more pro American. I dont approve of Bushs mad dog war mongering, but gladly neither do a lot of his voters. Thankfully, he is on his way out.

Mel

75. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 9y

Quoting looking175

To Mally

I cry to think that if the world unites against America we might be able to achieve WORLD PEACE and love for everyone in the world. The worlds greatest obstacle is America.

I must admit that I haven't read all of the 74 previous posts, so what I'm going to say may already be in here, but: pathetic and over-the-top as this reply to the thread may be, I do agree with the poster that the US as a nation is an important obstacle to 'world peace', or a number of weakened variants of this, like 'reduction of international tensions'.

However, what a government (and thereby, a country) does on the stage of international politics should not be confused either with the political conviction of the majority of that country's inhabitants, let alone with the set of cultural values that those inhabitants live by. Policy-making involves weighing a huge set of factors other than the views held by the electorate, which makes that voters have some modest influence on their country's general course at best, but by no means can be equated with the country they come from.

That said, I think that the widely observed anti-american sentiments (which in my experience abound everywhere on the globe, ranging from left-wing Europe to most of SA, to the 'islamic countries' in Asia), which are primarily directed against the imperialist US international policy, are strengthened by the horror of US sitcoms that are poured out over the tv-watching world, which contain a set of values that one can or cannot identify oneself with, and by that small number of middle-age 'prototypical american tourists', which travel in large herds, mainly complaining about the size of, well, everything. Neither things, however, relate to 'real americans'. The average real American, again in my own experience, is just about as loathsome, despicable, short-sighted and stupid as the average Dutchman, Italian, Argentine, Israeli and Palestine. Only bigger ;)

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 18, 2006, at 5:43 AM by bentivogli ]

76. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

I must admit that I haven't read all of the 74 previous posts, so what I'm going to say may already be in here, but: pathetic and over-the-top as this reply to the thread may be, I do agree with the poster that the US as a nation is an important obstacle to 'world peace', or a number of weakened variants of this, like 'reduction of international tensions'.

That said, I think that the widely observed anti-american sentiments (which in my experience abound everywhere on the globe, ranging from left-wing Europe to most of SA, to the 'islamic countries' in Asia), which are primarily directed against the imperialist US international policy, are strengthened by the horror of US sitcoms that are poured out over the tv-watching world, which contain a set of values that one can or cannot identify oneself with, and by that small number of middle-age 'prototypical american tourists', which travel in large herds, mainly complaining about the size of, well, everything. Neither things, however, relate to 'real americans'. The average real American, again in my own experience, is just about as loathsome, despicable, short-sighted and stupid as the average Dutchman, Italian, Argentine, Israeli and Palestine. Only bigger ;)[/quote]

Quite long on rhetoric but somewhat deficient in substance.
Whose world peace?
Bin Liners? Mini-Kim’s, Ahmadinejad’s, Caliph Assad’s, Putin’s, Fidel’s, Kofi Annan’s (what a joke he has been)?
Imperialist – the US never conquered any Islamic country, as opposed to Britain, France, Italy and Russia (both Tsarist and Soviet).
US sitcoms – is your average jack-the-lad Iranian ayatollah/Saudi cleric watching Seinfield and South Park and being horrified enough to advocate jihad?
Prototypical – American dress and behaviour as tourists?
By those last two pieces of prime logic, then surely antipathy to Islam by kafirs is warranted by the rage and violence expressed by Moslem clerics against the West (US as the apex) and the wearing of the niqab which reminds one of the nazgul in LOTR

77. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Has there ever been world peace, in the history of the world?
If it is not the US, it is a different country.
I think education and information and persistance will help achieve the dream of world peace, not blaming and pointing the finger at others.

I think the first step, to creating world peace, would be to learn how to create peace, with our families, neighbours and work colleagues. If we cannot do this, we have no right to claim to know how world peace can be achieved.

But, i do suppose we have every right to discuss what is causing the trouble in the world. That is how we learn and become more open minded.

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 24, 2006, at 3:07 AM by Mel. ]

78. Posted by maba (Inactive 227 posts) 9y

I guess this is not really deep & meaningful but simply, the American democratic system means they are 'in your face' We see all of their laundry - the extremes of good and bad. The USA does a lot of good humanitarian work. It also does a lot of bad as in these oil wars'. Also why are they holding an Australian prisoner in Guantanamo without trial? (he's been there for 5 years) this would be unheard of for any US citizen.

But, what about many other countries - hey, they have serious censorship, the governments control the people and the information that gets to the media so we only see sterilised information depicting their way of life. So who knows what is really going on. For example, in China, you get limited Western satellite TV in some locations only.

As for Mr Bush, the leader of a country is a reflection of the voters wish - so you get who you deserve. I say, all elligable American citizens should get out & vote so the result is a true representation of the whole populations wishes - make voting compulsory in the US.
Two things that do bug me is the preoccupation with 'guns' and, that many Americans don't realise there is a world outside their borders. I expect most TP members would be world wise but why don't you consider getting any 'US centric' friends an atlas for their next present so they can study up.

The Americans I have met are, nice people and have the same aspirations as we all do - to get on with each other and have a happy & peacefull existance. The problem lies with each individual and their prejudices. ;)

79. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

I suppose,even if all Americans vote, as Maba suggests, they still do not know how a president will turn out, for sure.

Mel

80. Posted by oslaue (Full Member 571 posts) 9y

media media media!

if you ask me...the british are worse than america! for taking over the world...history proves that.
they also have a habbit of taking over a country, promising to give it back and then they never do!!!

all those against america! of those people who can say they have actually been to america?

ive been to america and my family and we love the place! the country! everything! amazing country!

why is it so hard to get into america! just let me in and keep everyone out!:)

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