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31. Posted by summer910 (Respected Member 1342 posts) 9y

Quoting worldwideG

Everything here is ill-informed and nonsense. Firstly, i doubt anybody works as hard as beckham. Secondly, what a short memory some people have! Not the sort of player to change a game? Have you forgotton that the only reason England got to World Cup 2002 was beckhams performances? He singlehandedly got us to the tournament and played there despite not being fully fit after his foot injury. Also scoring a decisive penalty against the Argies. He won the triple with Man Utd in 99 so how can he be a two-bit player in what was probably one of the best sides in the world at any time? The Madrid fans loved him and are dissapointed to see him leave after years of service. His problem there was that most of the squad were ageing stars e.g figo, ronaldo, etc. Inter, AC Milan, Celtic were all interested but he didn't want to go to them. Whilst he's the not the sharpest tool in the box, how many dumb people can earn millions of pounds and are recognised all over the world? He's pretty sharp when it comes to earning from his image, although poor choice of wife granted. If U.S t.v stations put some money into the game as happened in England the game could take off in the states. Sure it will never be as big as NFL, NBA and MLB but MLS (Major League Soccer) does have a ring to it! Have a look at the Guardian online for a more informed discussion on this rather than expressing drivvle as this.

I've read the Guardian, thank you very much, just that unlike your good self, I'm not a rabid, blinkered Beckham fan. He didn't want to go to those clubs because he thinks he's too good for them - either that, or he thinks he can't cut it anymore, which is probably true as well. Compare that to Ronaldo, who favours a move to another European club and is reportedly in talks with Milan. And Ronaldo is one year younger than Beckham, so not an ageing star at all (even if he's if heavier than what Capello thinks is desirable). If a player thinks he still has what it takes to make it in the top flight (EPL, Serie A, La Liga, etc), he would at least listen to offers from clubs like Inter, Milan, Celtic (as mentioned in your post). But nooo, Beckham went for the cash. Just look at the size of his contract with LA Galaxy. He might protest it's not about the money, but that's not how it's looking to the rest of the world. He's sharp about earning $$ from his image, I grant you that, but that's all there is to him, really.

Beckham was good for Real Madrid in terms of global marketing - they made tons off his image rights and one of the big stumbling blocks of his contract renewal was that they wanted to keep those image rights revenues coming while Becks didn't. You think Real wanted him for his football? No way. Is he a Figo? Zidane? Ronaldo? No. Was he even a Makelele? Or Hierro? Or Raul? Nope. He can swing in some decent balls, but that makes him just a one-trick pony, nothing more, nothing less.

I frankly don't give a shit about England. To me, they're another two-bit team - where have they gotten in the past three World Cups? Won anything of note? If Beckham is all they can rely on, I'm not surprised they haven't won anything. He thinks he can play in the centre, but look where that's gotten him and England. Has he been an inspirational captain? Like perhaps... cricket's Ricky Ponting, or rugby's Tana Umaga? Nope. But then again, even when England had better players like Gerrard and Lampard, they still didn't win anything (re 06 World Cup).

As for that 1999 treble win, although I'm no Man United fan, I remember the contributions from the likes of Keane and Giggs, but not as much from Beckham - he's not a player to influence matches. He's so easily replaceable - re Cristiano Ronaldo - that Ferguson doesn't even rate him among the players he wouldn't want to leave out in the first team. It was so at United, it was the same at Real.

Madrid fans may respect him for his hardworking attitude, but that's probably about it. Tons of footballers are hardworking - you don't get anywhere in football without at least having decent work ethic. There will always be fans who like hardworking and dumb footballers, and Beckham falls into that category. Years of service? How is three seasons years of service? If he were anything like Raul, who is an icon at Real, then of course the fans would be devastated to see him go. But no, Beckham is another self-styled galactico and the fans will not be sorry to see the back of him.

32. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Bring it on Summer910!!

33. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

WOOHOO, Jun!!!

Now, back to discussing "real" football. Chicago Bears Rule!!!!!

34. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

Quoting Isadora

WOOHOO, Jun!!!

Now, back to discussing "real" football. Chicago Bears Rule!!!!!

Now about that padding on them....

35. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Pardus

Quoting Isadora

WOOHOO, Jun!!!

Now, back to discussing "real" football. Chicago Bears Rule!!!!!

Now about that padding on them....

I don't see soccer players playing in -12C temps and snow! (Okay - so I don't see a lot of American football players playing in it either...) But - the New Orleans Saints play in a warm state in the Super Dome. What's up with that? Welcome to Chicago, boys! We're going to have frigid temps for the play-off game...

Okay - sorry - back to Beckham... ;)

36. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Isadora

I don't see soccer players playing in -12C temps and snow! (Okay - so I don't see a lot of American football players playing in it either...) But - the New Orleans Saints play in a warm state in the Super Dome. What's up with that? Welcome to Chicago, boys! We're going to have frigid temps for the play-off game...

And why would anyone with anything other than...oh oh oh.... padding in their brain play in -12C temps ?

Quoting Isadora

Okay - sorry - back to Beckham... ;)

Right back to Beckham (or the plurality there of). ;)

37. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 9y

There's no doubting Mr Beckham is a darned good footballer. I know little about football (soccer for you guys over the pond) but I do know the man is good.

But what I'd like to know, is how much of his actual financial value as a player, is purely down to his celebrity status. His good looks and his awful skinny cow wife? (can't wait till she mixes with Paris and Lindsay) Lets face it, even if he was to play crap, a star like Becks is going to bring a lot of fame and cash to your team.

If anything, I think its bad for his credability as a player. To me, his argument that he wants to bring popularity to footy in the USA, is like an admission that he thinks his celebrity is more important than sportmanship, ie playing the beautiful game to the highest possible standard. Because really, who are LA Galaxy? Apart from rich?

So in that way, it must be purely about the money. Which is bit sad, considering he'd be minted for the rest of his days whatever he did.

38. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Clarabell

Because really, who are LA Galaxy?

Yeah, who are these guys??? They've never even made it into the UEFA cup

39. Posted by daveh (Travel Guru 1027 posts) 9y

Some players in there early 30's (ie Figo, Batistuta, Hierro to name a couple) go to play in the middle east on huge short term contracts, obviously these people are going purely for money and not for the long term health of the game in that country or the clubs long term benefit and nobody would even consider saying a bad word about them. A similar thing happened in Japan a few years back with a few high profile names going there at the end of there careers in top flight European football. Personally, i think Beckham has been a great player and is quite shrewd (or pays someone to be shrewd for him) and is making full use of his image and talent to get the maximum mileage from an industry where your working life is short. Good look to him.

40. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 9y

If we're going to throw stones...

Well, Summer910, in the last couple of World Cups England made the quarter finals. We (me representing the English) thought that it was a bit disappointing, but it's somewhat better than the USA, and significantly better than Singapore. I agree, however, about Beckham playing in the middle at international level, however he was a respected player at Real as well as Man U, the two biggest club teams in the world. I think it is a little unfair to call him a one-trick pony - his all-round game is good, it's just that his delivery from the right is truly world-class. Yeah, sure, he's past his best, but (and I'm no Man U or Beckham fan) he has been a really good football player. Up there with the players Summer910 mentions.

And I can count the number of countries for whom 'American Football' is 'Real football' on one finger.