Its just like the whole pit-bull terrier thing in the uk. Curtain dogs aren’t allowed to be bread due to them being dangerous (after a small child died after an attack), and i agree... they are dangerous!! The dog was still brought up around people, it wasn’t a wild dog and it still attacked. Its only that type of dog that does it really. Exactly the same as the tigers etc The only way to be sure they aren’t going to turn around and attack someone is to drug them. The fact that they are dopy just emphasises the point im trying to make!!
Hey all this is a very fascinating thread eh, I was thinking of going there myself, but like most people i would be disgusted and ouraged if these animals were drugged, and/or mistreated..
Just to throw my spanner in the works here if you check out
This guy is called the lion man, has been on tv a bit over here, seems to a good job and full credit to him..
I have not been there myself but he seems to be still alive, so yup, big cats can be trained if done correctly and probably started early..and these animals are not drugged (unless for medical reasons) i know this becuase he would get CRUCIFIED in this country if he was mistreating the animals..
But bear in mind this guys has raised them, fed them, walked them, doctered them, and has a relationship with these animals built over years...
I am prrretty sure (correct me if i am wrong and someones sees otherwise on the site) members of the public dont get to rock in and hang out with these animals.. possibly the younger ones..
As for Tiger temple, i cannot put my 2 cents in, but its interesting hearing peoples experiences..
...and still the place continues to rake in money....read this report
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Remember that tigers and lions are different species and their needs and behaviour are actually very different...tigers are solitary animals and even in the days of circuses etc they were considered much more difficult to handle than lions.
I would like to punch the glasses of that so-called monk (he is just a loser basically) right into his eyes.
Human life of these kind of people means less to me than the life of tigers
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My two cents worth. I took a day trip out there by public transport in 2006 from BKK. Unfortunately I took a slow bus (stopped to pick up constantly). There must be a rapid service ( not that I am complaining). However I got to Khanchanburi and secured transport to take me out there. I enjoyed my experience. I have read advice that the tigers are drugged etc etc. but I take the view that the tigers are cared for (ie that they won't be poached for Asian needs) hence they are are fortunate to be where they are. It was a travel lifetime experience as far as I was concerned.
The drugging of the animals is a red herring.....
They ARE in breach of international agreements that Thailand has signed up to
They ARE under investigation by the Thai authorities (however effective that will be)
They are breeding Tigers without any genetic records - this means they cannot be regarded as pure sub-species and are worthless to any conservation claims made.
They ARE kept in conditions that are unsuitable for tigers (tigers are solitary animals0
They ARE feeding the tigers an unsuitable diet.
They are trying to claim that the animals will be re-incarnated as higher animals as they don't kill their own meat.
They ARE claiming they have lots of money
They ARE claiming that lack of funds has delayed the building of new enclosures that are not expressly designed for tiger anyway.
Please read the report before commenting on this - this is not a matter for amateurs - the people in charge of this place ARE amateurs, they do not hav any training in modern techniques and many of their methods are derived either from unscientific religious beliefs or from the out-dated mentality of 100 years ago.
I returned to the temple a couple of weeks ago after not being there for nearly 5 years, disgusted!! what a change in the place and in the state of the Tigers.
I took my family, who were on holiday from Scotland for the new year and we lasted all of 30 minutes.
We were hearded, approx 200 of us, onto a veiwing platform by a megaphone weilding aussie while the tigers were taken down to the quarry. Visitors were then lined up in batches of 50 to walk in single file down to the quarry and passed the tigers 1 at a time to have photos taken.
It was a warm day and my 13 year old daughter started suffering from the heat after standing in a crowd with no shade for 30 minutes. We decided then to leave the temple and was stopped by another forigin volenteer and told we could not leave?????????? a few choice words and we were heading back to the car.
5 years ago the tigers were healthy looking beasts, unchained & not drugged. Now they appear to be unfit sad looking beasts.
I would not advise anyone to visit this temple again.
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It is also worth bearing in mind that the animlas you saw 5 years ago are most likely not the same creatures - even though some have the same name - they are traded on/replaced when they become to difficult to handle - where????
we went to the tiger temple.
you have to sign a waiver before you go incase you get injured. you will be walking down the lanes in the park alongside massive bulls and animals i dont know the name of, anyway, they have huge horns and it is quite scary.
The tigers are just laying there, some do walk around with chains around their neck.
tigers and ost big cats spend 23hours of the day sleeping/resting and only an hour hunting, so them laying these is not to be taken suspiciously in my opinion.
one of the monks 'walked' a fully grown tiger down the main path just holding onto a metal chain. if the tiger wanted to bolt, it could have, so maybe it is drugged because that would be a big risk.. it also sprayed a massive spray of urine towards some people so dont get too close lol.
you could have your photo with them, and also with a tiger cub when i was there. it seemed quite distressed but it was something you felt you had to do when they offered you the photo and to stroke it. the thing i did not like was that its mother was clearly distressed as it was in a secure cage away from its cub.
when i went they were working on improving the place so it was noisy but im sure it would be finished by now and probably looks alot better.