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Working Holiday Germany - Residence Permit required?

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1. Posted by gigispot (First Time Poster 1 posts) 9y

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I'm an Australian newly arrived in Germany on a Working Holiday visa.
I've completed my police registration (Anmeldebestätigung), but I'm not sure what to do next. Do I need to get a residence permit (Aufenthaltserlaubnis) as well? I thought my visa was my residence permit... but now I'm not so sure!

Any help - what I need to do and where/how to do it - would be very, very appreciated.

Thanks,
Gigi

2. Posted by pfeiffer (Full Member 211 posts) 9y

Quoting gigispot

I'm an Australian newly arrived in Germany on a Working Holiday visa.
I've completed my police registration (Anmeldebestätigung), but I'm not sure what to do next. Do I need to get a residence permit (Aufenthaltserlaubnis) as well? I thought my visa was my residence permit... but now I'm not so sure!

You would not be eligible for a residency permit as far as I know. The embassy page I happened to look at (have you looked online?) says that as part of your working visa you also are granted a work permit, so that should be it. Be careful when your 90 days of work are officially counted. Based on my own secondhand knowledge of foreign students working in Germany, even one hour of employment on any one day will likely be counted as one day of work -- leaving 89 possible "days" remaining.

-Kevin
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Kevin Pfeiffer

3. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 9y

The way it works in Germany generally with foreigners is that you go to "Ausländerbehörde" and either get a work permit or a letter in writing called "Freizügigkeitsbescheinigung".

Essentially the "Ausländerbehörde" states that you are allowed to work. With this letter you go to "Arbeitsamt/Bundesagentur für Arbeit" and they will process the rest of the papers for you or at least point you into the right direction.

You will also need a social security and social insurance number, which you will get either from a Krankenkasse (like AOK, Barmer, TKK, etc.) or from the Bundesanstalt für Angestellte (BfA).

I don't really know this, because WHV is not something I usually deal with. Let me ask a few people on Monday and then I'll get back to you.

4. Posted by Dezafinado (Respected Member 177 posts) 9y

In the mid 90s, I worked in Munich for a year. If I remember correctly, Anmeldebestätigung is a process everyone goes through, even for Germans when they move from one location to another. As for work permit, I went through the Carl Duisberg Gesellshaft and was issued a Aufenthaltserlaubnis at the German Consulate in Los Angeles for the length of the contract (1 yr).

More info: http://www.handbuch-deutschland.de/book/en/003_002_002_001.html

5. Posted by pfeiffer (Full Member 211 posts) 9y

Just to repeat myself: Gigi should already have the work permit as the embassy information page suggested that this was included as a part of the working holiday visa process.

-Kevin
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Kevin Pfeiffer

6. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 9y

I'm not denying that Gigi already has a valid work permit.

But an EU-citizen doesn't need a work permit either. But they have to go to Ausländerbehörde and get Freizügigkeitsbescheinigung, which they then present at Bundesagentur für Arbeit (AA).

If Gigi goes straight to AA they will most likely send him back to Ausländerbehörde. The Ausländerbehörde will then check whether everything is allright with his WHV and give him a letter stating this (similar to Freizügigkeitsbescheinigung) which Gigi can then take to AA. Without a confirmation from Ausländerbehörde that Gigi is allowed to work, the officials at AA cannot take Gigi into their database of people looking for employment nor can they give him the necassary papers he needs. (The AA has to do a "Vorrangprüfung" almost everytime a foreigner in Germany seeks employment. This means they have to check whether there is a German or EU-citizen who could do this job. Only if there isn't the employer is allowed to hire the foreigner legally.)

So this is how I think this works for Gigi. I already wrote that I intend to ask my collegue who is responsible for EU-citizens and people on WHV, so hang on until Monday please.

For verybody who reads German:http://www.arbeitsagentur.de/zentraler-Content/Veroeffentlichungen/Merkblatt-Sammlung/MB7-Beschaeftigung-ausl-AN.pdf

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 13, 2007, at 5:05 PM by t_maia ]

7. Posted by michab (Budding Member 13 posts) 9y

congrats, looks like you're getting a wave of info your way.
one more thing you should know is that unless you plan to stay in a hotel or hostel for the entire period, (i.e. if you plan to rent an apartment and sign a contract to this end) you should later go to the local municipality hall of the city / area you live in and register yourself there.

michab

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