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11. Posted by oslaue (Full Member 571 posts) 9y

i think we all know that americans in general are not the most popular people to be around with,
and now i am going of the point.

anyway.

white man = rich who has money
black man = poor who has no money

though the above comment isnt entirely true but they dont know that do they.

ive never been to thailand im going next month, but my friends tell me watch out for the thai women!
they hang of white men! and they dont stick to there own kind. i wonder why? its got everything to do with money
and to hope they will be better looked after. so its not just about black.

i also have nigerian friends who are obsessed with white girls especially if they are young, these guys are big and muscular, quite intimidating.
even some of my female friends were worried about them and this in london!!!

too much of any race isnt ideal. a bit of mixture is the best way.

in south africa, one would be at more ease! thats all. its true, i would feel at more ease in a mixed environment
then a all black environment.

let me put you in a situation. im a christian right, in london one of my friends invited me to his church little did i know i was the only white person in his church, everyone stared at me though everyone was very very friendly and they accepted me. so mabye the cause of concern was brought on by myself. but i dont know if everyone would accept me. if i can avoid a confrontation then i will.

one gets of the plane in zambia and does the tourist things,sticks to the track, sticks to areas that are protected but when you live in a foreign country one tends to go off that.

Pardus - i totally agree with concerning zambia needs all the help that it can get. but i would think for Emily_Oz
own safety and to put her parents out of there misery to visit the country for a holiday and then to live and work there. not to jump of and get stuck in. may go there and not even like it after she jumps of the plane.

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 18, 2007, at 7:59 AM by oslaue ]

12. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

The point is - Emily is going there for a volunteer project and travel so I'd assume she'd be there for about 3 months or less. That's not exactly living there.
She asked for information if it's safe there or not and we supplied her with information. And she will be going with a volunteer organisation which will organise her visa, accomodation, and so forth. And she will most likely be in the company of other volunteers from a Western country.
And any country you visit you're a stranger, doesn't matter where you go. You will have people stare at you and in many cases voice their opinion about you being there (either positive or negative) and most definitely you will be stared at. You can walk through London and be stared at and also feel completely lost and alone.
We were a group of 20 people with about 15 girls and there was only one negative incident - and that was one of the girls ignored the advice on clothing and wore a low cut, sleeveless top for which she got shouted at. By Zambian Women!!!
It's a wonderful country and the people are really friendly and as in every other country there's crime. But there are measures to reduce the risk.
And wherever you go you will feel strange and alien at times, you could go to New York and feel completely isolated and out of place.
And being dominated by one culture or another doesn't matter! As a matter of fact, Zambia has about 73 different dialects and several completely different languages.

13. Posted by Emily_Oz (Budding Member 39 posts) 9y

Guys, guys, chill! Thanks for the feedback, both consisted of good advice and you clearly both care about my wellbeing! I must say I have heard from an African and others, plus websites that Zambia is now a fast growing economy and one of the more upcoming safe places in Africa. Other than Cape Town I have not heard similar for South Africa. I would not put myself at any large risk but I am going with the knowledge that nowhere in this world is safe anymore. There are places I wouldn't go in London due to muggings, guns, theft and all the ones oslaue spoke of. I won't argue you are wrong about similar occurences in Zambia, I have no doubt there are, but I am sure there are safe places too and that this volunteering trip (which is 3-4 weeks I think) would not organise the trip if it put customers in direct danger. This is the website so you can have a look what I am planning on going on http://www.realgap.co.uk/Medical%20and%20Orphan%20Volunteers%20Programme%20Zambia . I think Oslaue you are swaying into a racial view. I travelled the main Island of Fiji, where I was singled out as a white person. The people were poor and some lived in very basic and not so nice conditions, but they were lovely, and also I think they welcome tourism as it helps them. Obviously I know nothing about Africa so either of you could be right, I am just stating my opinion. I will ask the travel agent and research it further as it will be daunting travelling alone, but the accomodation and location provided by this company seems to be very good. You can see what you think?
Thanks for all the help, very appreciated!
Em xx

14. Posted by ChaSaf (First Time Poster 1 posts) 9y

Hi Emily_oz

You will be perfectly fine, just take the normal sensible precautions. Real Gap are NOT going to send people to places that aren't safe. To state rather foolishly that as Zambia borders Zimbabwe be default it is unsafe shows a lack of any real thinking. There are numerous volunteer programmes in Zambia, I myself have lived here for 5 years, and encountered NO problems, I am the World Challenge Representative here, and they are incredibly strict on things. If they are willing to send school children here, then I see NO reason why you shouldn't come.
Visit the country, enjoy yourself and help people in the process.

15. Posted by v3g3dw46 (First Time Poster 1 posts) 2y

Quoting oslaue

i think we all know that americans in general are not the most popular people to be around with,
and now i am going of the point.

anyway.

white man = rich who has money
black man = poor who has no money

though the above comment isnt entirely true but they dont know that do they.

ive never been to thailand im going next month, but my friends tell me watch out for the thai women!
they hang of white men! and they dont stick to there own kind. i wonder why? its got everything to do with money
and to hope they will be better looked after. so its not just about black.

i also have nigerian friends who are obsessed with white girls especially if they are young, these guys are big and muscular, quite intimidating.
even some of my female friends were worried about them and this in london!!!

too much of any race isnt ideal. a bit of mixture is the best way.

in south africa, one would be at more ease! thats all. its true, i would feel at more ease in a mixed environment
then a all black environment.

let me put you in a situation. im a christian right, in london one of my friends invited me to his church little did i know i was the only white person in his church, everyone stared at me though everyone was very very friendly and they accepted me. so mabye the cause of concern was brought on by myself. but i dont know if everyone would accept me. if i can avoid a confrontation then i will.

one gets of the plane in zambia and does the tourist things,sticks to the track, sticks to areas that are protected but when you live in a foreign country one tends to go off that.

Pardus - i totally agree with concerning zambia needs all the help that it can get. but i would think for Emily_Oz
own safety and to put her parents out of there misery to visit the country for a holiday and then to live and work there. not to jump of and get stuck in. may go there and not even like it after she jumps of the plane.

This person is a complete idiot. Zambia is one of the safest countries in Africa. I lived in places all over africa, including South African and Zambia. I grew up in Zambia although I am white and of American/English origin. It is BY FAR the safest country in Africa I have been to. South Africa is MUCH more dangerous. There are 50 murders a day in South Africa alone, that should tell you something. Also, after staying in Capetown, which is supposedly safer than the capital Joburg, I was robbed whilst asleep. The robber came into my room and stole all my possessions. And we were staying in one of the 'safest' and well off communities in Cape town. I have never ever had any issue with crime in Zambia at all (i lived there 11 years). I completely agree with Pardus. Oslaue do not speak of countries you have not lived in or experienced as a tourist. Not only do you give wrong information but you come across as ignorant and racist to say the least. Your ignorance is extremely evident in the fact that you think Mugabe living next door would have any influence what so ever? President Michael Sata of Zambia is a good and reasonable man who is close family friend, his actions are not at all similar to that of Robert Mugabe's. If Emily wanted a guess as to what it is like there she could have done it herself, and by the sound of it her guessing is much better than yours. I know this post is from years ago but oslaue's stupidity is just so annoying...

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