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1. Posted by worldwideG (Respected Member 117 posts) 9y

Has anyone suggested incorporating a political dimension to TP before and what was the level of interest and the roadblocks to such an idea if it has been put forward? I was thinking along the lines of a forum dedicated to discussing the political activities of countries and raising awareness of problem areas. By travelling to countries we inadvertantly generate revenues for governments to use as they see fit. Some, my own included, mis-spend such funds on various schemes/policies and commit human rights violations.

I'm referring to present situations such as Tibet, Burma, U.S./U.K invasion of Iraq, China's environmental policies etc. As a like-minded group of people (80,000 i think?) could we not make some small difference in world affairs by uniting with other groups or at the very least informing our members of the activities of governments of the countries that we visit or live in? I would like to put forward myself to the hierarchy of TP as someone who could assist in this project along with others who are interested in this field. This would of course only be viable if enough members were interested in this.

I also propose a blog of the kind of the travel photography workshop whereby a few people contribute on a regular basis. I appreciate this is a massive undertaking and somewhat of a diversion from the normal activities of the website. Perhaps we could provide links to other websites that offer political comment as a 2nd best outcome? I'd welcome any feedback from other members and PM's from the TP moderators/administrators on this suggestion. As always, happy travels. pete

2. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

I think it's a good idea as part of the forum, discussing it. But reading your post, it also sounds like we have to get a list of places we can't go to or at least going there is not political correct. Of course, that is always the travelers own decision.

3. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Hello WorldwideG

U have my vote.
I think politics is part of travelling.
It explains why people and things are like they are in the various countries. Very important.
I also volunteer myself, to help, if such a forum comes about. I am interested in finding out about human rights for the same reason as u are. So I dont accidently travel around making things worse and maybe sometimes I can do some good.

Worldwide, I think there are more people interested in this, but maybe they dont come into the system forum much.

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 12:02 AM by Mel. ]

4. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 9y

Call me a pessimist, but I think that such a forum would mean a sure death for TP.

Political discussions, in fact even mere observations, on other forums that I'm a member of have a strong tendency of getting completely out of hand, with members ending up only throwing insults to one another. Of course the average TP member stands above that, but still I wouldn't want to take the risk.

Apart from that, your argument that there's power in numbers (if you don't mind this paraphrase) is well-taken, but who's deciding whether we are in fact 'a group of like-minded people', and if so, on precisely which issues? I wouldn't like this site, which to my mind is a truly open community of travellers worldwide, to turn into a western-colonialistic political mouthpiece :)

But I guess that you're free to open a blog for it :)

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 1:27 AM by bentivogli ]

5. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 9y

Id have to agree with bentivogli.

These things just turn into America bashing zones, no doubt alienating our US members.

6. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting bentivogli

Call me a pessimist, but I think that such a forum would mean a sure death for TP.

Political discussions, in fact even mere observations, on other forums that I'm a member of have a strong tendency of getting completely out of hand, with members ending up only throwing insults to one another. Of course the average TP member stands above that, but still I wouldn't want to take the risk.

Apart from that, your argument that there's power in numbers (if you don't mind this paraphrase) is well-taken, but who's deciding whether we are in fact 'a group of like-minded people', and if so, on precisely which issues? I wouldn't like this site, which to my mind is a truly open community of travellers worldwide, to turn into a western-colonialistic political mouthpiece :)

But I guess that you're free to open a blog for it :)

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black

7. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 9y

Quoting worldwideG

Has anyone suggested incorporating a political dimension to TP before and what was the level of interest and the roadblocks to such an idea if it has been put forward? I was thinking along the lines of a forum dedicated to discussing the political activities of countries and raising awareness of problem areas. ...

Such topics can be discussed in General Talk (GT) forum if it's related to travel, or Off-topic (OT) forum if it's not. The main purpose of this website is for travel, not about politics. Anyway, based on what we have seen here in GT and OT, the number of threads related to politics is not significant enough for us to have a separate and dedicated forum for it. It is unlike the latest forum that we've created; Travel Gear. There were so many questions and threads about travel gear in GT and OT back then that justified the creation of a separate forum for it. So with the current condition, it is best that topics related to politics remain in GT and OT.


I also propose a blog of the kind of the travel photography workshop whereby a few people contribute on a regular basis. I appreciate this is a massive undertaking and somewhat of a diversion from the normal activities of the website. Perhaps we could provide links to other websites that offer political comment as a 2nd best outcome? I'd welcome any feedback from other members and PM's from the TP moderators/administrators on this suggestion. As always, happy travels. pete

There is already a blog dedicated for this. :)

photoguide.travellerspoint.com

If you wish to be a contributor to the blog, send me a PM or contact any of the moderators or admins.

8. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

I agree with Niels (bentivogli). The limited topics we have had that incorporate political views tend to end up in a lot of nastiness. No matter if there are 85 000 of us and we are travellers, people still have very different views and it would by no means be a 'yes, we all agree, let's make this better' kind of forum. Even those of us who think we would be making a suggestion which is undeniable or undisputed are only as informed as our media and our own travels let us be and there's usually more sides to the story than any of us can oversee. I'd love to see everyone coming together and sharing their sides to the story without it becoming a moderator's nightmare, but this is just never going to happen

I think it could be a great idea for a blog though. You can invite other members to write with you by setting up multiple authors similar to the photoguide blog.

9. Posted by worldwideG (Respected Member 117 posts) 9y

thanks guys! a few points to reply on:
uttrecht - cheers for support. politics is a little bit more complicated than not visiting a place because you don't agree with what the gov there is doing and i hope that's not what other people think.
hein - yes i know tp has a photoguide, that is why i likened my proposal to it.
other people mentioned it turning into a name calling and america bashing forum. how old are we guys? any of this would be removed anyway therefore it would be pointless to enter into such things. someone mentioned western colonialisation? there are other things going on in the world! why couldn't people discuss this anyway? when i said like-minded, i meant that we like to travel, experience new cultures and see new places, not that we all share a brain. politics is a huge part of all of these things. it sounds like the best thing would be to set up a blog with some other people and thanks to the volunteers! many thanks for your feedback.

10. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 9y

If it was to work, might I suggest that the politics be related to Travel - i.e Burma/MyanMars attempts to stop tourism - Indias laws disallowing foreigners to various parts of the country - North Koreas policy of having 'government minders' for all foreign tourists etc.

Problem is you cant divorce Immigration and Travel - and Immigration is such a political hot potatoe, your bound to get rows!