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1. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Hi there,
Religion is everywhere in US. In the smaller towns religion is as important as it was in Europe in the 19th century. Bush uses christianity to empower his statements (like the crusaders against the islam). According to a documentary I saw that 80 million Americans (US) are Christian fundamentalists. In the US its better not to say that you are an atheist. In Europe that is accepted, it seems that churches in Europe are getting emptier and emptier. While US is full of fundamentalists. Is this healthy?

Cheers and thanks for any reply,

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 12:38 PM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

2. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

In addition. It seems that many American choose a leader out of religion. If Bush mutters something about Jesus everyone votes for him. That's crazy. It seems like a theocracy instead of Secularized state. Its almost the Iran of the Christians.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 12:45 PM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

3. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Whoa.....down boy!!!

Let me put a stop to the speculation right now: The United States is NOT full of christian fundamentalists....yes, we have our share, but please be very careful about making these kinds of generalizations. This is one of the few countries in the world I know of where there can be a christian church one one block, a synagogue on another, a mosque on another, and a buddhist temple on another......and though they may disagree with each othes versions of a deity, they tend not to shoot at each other. OK, in Canada too.....

Now Wouter, surely someone who has been around TP as long as you realizes that Bush only received about 18% of the total vote (I know the numbers are around here somewhere...). Please, please, please, I implore you, do not assume that you know the slightest thing about America because you have watched a documentary on television. Imagine what an impression could be made of The Netherlands if someone only got their info from the news.

Please do not allow this thread to become an anti-American tirade

I'm fairly certain that most religions have a concept of "Let they who are without sin, cast the first stone".....OK, I know that's from the bible, but it's the only one I know.

4. Posted by boreal2673 (Respected Member 345 posts) 9y

You are right about some americans electing a leader based on faith. It seems that even though there is a seperation of church and state some americans vote based on religion. Part of it may stem from a lack of political knowledge, therefore reverting back to the one common thing that suggests a moral mentality. I for one am an aethiest and have to problem saying so. You are correct in saying that many americans feel the need to have a religous affiliation. Yet, ask those so called christians how many times they pray or go to church. Probably only on holidays or when someone is ill. So does that make one religous or just a follower of the main stream?

5. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Again fellow posters, please keep it cordial.....

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 1:26 PM by beerman ]

6. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Kris, I am not talking crap. Its a fact that 80 million Americans are extremist christians (out of 360 million or so). They are mostly from the rural areas and they follow Christianity in extreme like it was in Europe one hundred years ago. Its a fact. I am a Christian myself, but I would always see religion and politics as seperate. Religion and politics together is deadly...

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 2:14 PM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

7. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

There are religious fundamentalists everywhere - you just hear about them more than the regular old religious guys cause they do stuff that gets on the news. Ever seen Michael Moore when he released his Pilgrims on Washington? Funny, funny stuff - and a lot more people were laughing than complaining.

8. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

I think you need to quote some kind of source here Wouter. You can't just say it's a fact and not back it up... and I agree with Kris, this thread has serious potential to get out of hand (aside from the fact that it's not related to travelling North America so being moved to Off Topic) so let's keep all posts nice and argumented without any deterioration into coarse language.

9. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting t1way

There are religious fundamentalists everywhere.

I think that is not true. This issue is not known in Europe and also not in Australia. Religion is here not as important as in north-america. In south-European countries its more, but not much in politics....

10. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Sam I Am

I think you need to quote some kind of source here Wouter

I think so too, Sam. Sorry I forgot

Main source on the web: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/32953785/items/32970664/....its in Dutch, goodluck;).

In the following I translate from Dutch, so it could be a bit disfigured

Sources from the main source;

Good Morning America;
Alexandra Pelosi was a guest at Goodmorning America to talk about the "friends of god"

Newsweek
During an interview with Newsweek, Pelosi descibes how the publicity around Ted Haggard influenced her movie.

NAE
The National Association of Evangelicals, the organisation where Ted Haggard was the chairman untill a sexscandal pursuated him to resign his post.

Jerry Falwell Ministries
On this website is shown background information about the organisation of Jerry Falwell.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 5, 2007, at 2:48 PM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

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