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101. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

OK, back on topic.....

Wouter, come to America, travel to as many small towns as you possibly can (I can make a nice list for you), and you will see that this country is not populated by fundamentalists, but by an enormously diverse group of people....and some complete lunatics, likely including me.

And Mel, men are superior because we have the penises.....it's a proven fact, we have the penises........

How can one know about anything in a country without the media? I am only able to give an opinion if I have talked extensively with a lot of people in a lot of different villages. That would take a lot of time. Aren't we all influenced by the media. And why is there no research about this issue in Europe. Sensation okay, but they are not totally lying. What you!

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 7, 2007, at 11:12 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

102. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

The both of you (in this case Mel and Sam) have totally different views and those views are non-flexible. Believing in god or not believing is a way of live.

I just wanted to point out that I never mentioned my point of view, one way or the other. What I was simply pointing out was that Mel was claiming something as fact which cannot be proven (like you also mentioned, except a little harsher :) ). Mel pointed this out in a follow up post like tway mentioned.

103. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

When I say there is no God, I do not mean there is no God.

Well, that clears everything up then! ;)

104. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

Quoting Mel.

When I say there is no God, I do not mean there is no God.

Well, that clears everything up then! ;)

Yeah I thought the very same LOL

105. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Regarding the scientists. I was trying to make a point that there are also smart/educated people that believe in God (not saying they mix the two in terms of their scientific work). It's more a reaction to the (in my opinion wrong) statement that all educated, smart people do not believe in God or follow any religion. That's a gross generalization and I think insulting to anyone who has any kind of belief in anything (maybe even atheism ).

ps. anyone else getting double notifications on this thread? I think I just received a few?!

106. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Sam I Am

Regarding the scientists. I was trying to make a point that there are also smart/educated people that believe in God (not saying they mix the two in terms of their scientific work). It's more a reaction to the (in my opinion wrong) statement that all educated, smart people do not believe in God or follow any religion. That's a gross generalization and I think insulting to anyone who has any kind of belief in anything (maybe even atheism ).

That is certaintly true. What I meant with scientific research is that scientists try to find out (via chemistry/physics/biology) how certain inexplicable happenings (religious people would call it miracles) could have taken place.

107. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

I believe in God, and if that makes me stupid, unsophisticated, uneducated and anything else in some people's eyes, then so be it.

I'm not going to explain nor defend my position. For a start, I can't be bothered, and secondly, I'm late for work

Just on the homosexuality bit, of course the bible says that it's a sin. It just doesn't say it's a disease.

I"m gonna have to run for my train .....

108. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Just on the homosexuality bit, of course the bible says that it's a sin. It just doesn't say it's a disease.

I said it a little harsh, I said it the same as some preachers do!

109. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting Isadora

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

We should question the religious leaders. I think too that religion is important.

More importantly, shouldn't we be questioning the people who allowed religious leaders to have such power?

How did Hitler became on power? Wasn't that because of a bunch of appealing promises? Those leaders brainwash!

Touche - point taken. ;)

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Quoting Sam I Am

Regarding the scientists. I was trying to make a point that there are also smart/educated people that believe in God (not saying they mix the two in terms of their scientific work). It's more a reaction to the (in my opinion wrong) statement that all educated, smart people do not believe in God or follow any religion. That's a gross generalization and I think insulting to anyone who has any kind of belief in anything (maybe even atheism ).

Okay - an area where I actually can comment! YAY!!! (Sorry, got carried away for a second.)

Science and religious belief are not polarized by any means. The difference, science requires one to work with empirical and reproducible data. Religious belief is based on faith. As Wouter just said, science tries to explain "miracles" methodically. But, realize that the scientist has a certain amount of "faith" that their hypotheses are correct and the end justifies the means. At the same time, the scientist accepts faith, not only in thier work, but in the world around them. For many, that is the belief in God. God has given them the tools to set about their science - discover the universe, cure disease, possibly prove the existence of God... The more educated one becomes, the more open to all possibilites one becomes. In reality, nothing, including God, is outside the realm of possibility. It's what people do with those possibilities that throws the "crowbar" into the works.

Personally, I have worked with an enormous number of scientists during my career and the vast majority of them were exceptionally religious people. They were able to blend their knowledge of science with their faith to make it work for them.

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ps. anyone else getting double notifications on this thread? I think I just received a few?!

Not for this thread, but still receiving duplicates for the other one that wasn't moved.

110. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Hi Mel. I have a different opinion. First there was the start of Christianity. Then the people came to mess with the literal texts out of the bible. They have put it in a way they like it best. The bible and also the quran should be interpreted as flexible. 2000 or 1400 years ago people lived a little differently, wouldn't you think. The human mind have changed especially after the industrial era. People got wealthy in Europe and Northern-America. Faith became of less importance because people have anything they want (that is materialized world). In the middle ages people believed in witches. They deserved the stake. The church was responsible for that, (imagine its crazy).

Why is it not anymore? Because people realized at a certain period that it is hypocryt to burn innocent women alive. While times change the interpretation of the bible and the quran should change too. Education is a way to think clear and logical. Taking the bible or the quran literaly is for the insane and idiots. I feel that tendency is not happening with the 80 million fundamental Christians I mentioned. But that is also the case with millions of fundamental islamists around the world. In the case of islam it seems the lack of education in the rural areas. In the US most people are educated and certaintly not illiterate, also in the rural areas.

Those books(the bible, koran and whatever others) were written by poeple in the first place, who were making up rules, to suit themselves. Or maybe they were writing down stories, from their fantacy world. Whichever applies, I dont think what is in these books should be taken seriously. They should be considered to be classic literature only.
I think people became more educated and free thinking and that is what caused them to question religion. I dont think becomming richer has much to do with it.
What has burning witches, at the stake got to do with religion? I dont know of the church having anything to do with that.
There were also male witches, who were burned alive. Anybody who did not fit into society was deemed to be a witch and burned.
And, how much have times really changed? People in some countries are still given barbaric punishments.

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