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181. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting james

I disagree with you about what you said about homosexuality and love. We can love many people, but we do not have sex with them. You love your parents, brothers and sisters, friends, etc but they are not sexual partners (I hope ).

I don't want to derail this thread, but I do think that homosexuality is wrong on many levels.

As you don't give any argument, I can't make any sensible comment. I hope you know that the love you have for your own partner is a different kind of love, than the love somebody else ...

182. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

I don't want to derail this thread, but I do think that homosexuality is wrong on many levels.

As you don't give any argument, I can't make any sensible comment. I hope you know that the love you have for your own partner is a different kind of love, than the love somebody else

James has a lot of loose statements which aren't argumented decently. How can one have a dialog without proper arguments. I can also say whatever I think (without backing that up) but I won't taken seriously.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 8, 2007, at 3:59 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

183. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Well, I thought I knew a fair bit about it, but you and fuchsinrot have told me even more about it and painted a picture worse than I thought it was.

Denial doesn't make a problem go away.

My friend. What can I say if you don't give any argument. For the last time. Why did I and fuchsinrot made the picture even worse for you then it was, and tell me exactly and clear. Otherwise I suspect that you don't know what you are talking about:).

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 8, 2007, at 4:05 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

184. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Because what the hell are we doing here if there is nothing....

Nothing?
The fact, that we are here, means that there is something. We are something. Why would religious rituals make us more valid?

Interesting thought Mel. The thought actually scares me a little. You live at this moment for what reason. To die at you 87th and then nothing. What happens after death according to you. And please, Mel, answer this question since I asked it dozens of times....;)

185. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

This is an interesting thought. I think it explains why religion takes such a hold, on people, even though there is no scientific proof, for many of the beliefs.

Scientific proof Mel. I believe there is something that goes beyond anything. far beyond science. Some things can't be understood by people nor scientists.

186. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting Mel.

This is an interesting thought. I think it explains why religion takes such a hold, on people, even though there is no scientific proof, for many of the beliefs.

Scientific proof Mel. I believe there is something that goes beyond anything. far beyond science. Some things can't be understood by people nor scientists.

Well that slams the door for every discussion. (and the theory of relativity, I guess). There is no proof, either way. The only thing is that science is proving more and more things not to be the way, religion once claimed it was ... (Genesis vs Evolution is just one example)

187. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

Well that slams the door for every discussion. (and the theory of relativity, I guess). There is no proof, either way. The only thing is that science is proving more and more things not to be the way, religion once claimed it was ... (Genesis vs Evolution is just one example)

Untill there is scientific proof whether god excists or not, it will be all about speculation. This person says this the other that. We can only believe or not believe based on happenings in the very past. The discussion is over when science has proved that there is no such thing as god. What we do know is that there have taken place several religious miracles that can't be explained. Another aspect about this I find interesting is the "nearly dead experience". People with these experience have been telling about this.

Though, it can never be proved if they are telling the truth. The soul leaves the body, keeps there for a while overviewing its own body. Then there is the light which is apparantly very intense. People were telling that they didn't want to go back in their own body. Most of the time they saw something like a tunnel with at the end a beautiful and intense light. In many cases people speak about deceased familiy members of whom are waiting for you. In many cases they tell that the light is coming from god. In many seperate cases this similar information was given. It could be something in the brain that causes the soul leaving the body and seeing the light. But I find it extreme interesting that the light is that strong that souls don't want to go back into the body. And that people experience a god.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 8, 2007, at 5:14 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

188. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

uuhh Wouter.

I am sorry to tell, you there have been experiments already that can replicate a near-death experience. In these experiments people saw the bright light, and felt the presence of 'God'. It looks very much like it has something to do with the way, the brain switches of, when we are dying. (or at least just before we die) It doesn't switches off at once, but in stages.

I will see if I can find a link, it has been in Discovery, for that I am sure.

189. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

it's a proven fact, we have the penises.......

I am glad, that it has been proven and i am not just making assumptions.

190. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

I am glad, that it has been proven and i am not just making assumptions.

Its true Mel. Make sure your boyfriend has one

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