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21. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting wotthefiqh

The Islamists hate America because it's all lap-dancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans hate America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites hate America because it's controlled by Jews; the socialist left hate America because it's destroyed Soviet communism; the fervent environmentalists hate America because of it's industrial/consumer consumption and some hate America because of it's entertainment and fast-food industries.
Whatever your theological/cultural/ideological bugbear, America has it in spades.
From reading letters to my local newspaper here in Western Australia, knowledge does not lead to acceptance. It has led to one Member of Parliament advocating the complete cessation of moslem immigration to Australia, and there is growing support for his idea.

Charles Martel (pbuh).

A number of Americans like to take the role of the victim. You should know that they will logically be critizised from different point of views. They play a major role in world economics and "peace keeping". People from Iraq are not always happy about the Americans, I wonder why!

Quoting wotthefiqh

wotthefiqh does the Arabic script mean - Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ???

I am a fundamental islamist Kidding. Its just my surname in Arabic, nothing more. I have understood from a TP member that its written not fully correct, but I leave it like this;).

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 6, 2007, at 5:37 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

22. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Wouter,

I forgot to mention earlier......as long as you are searching the Web for lunatics, don't forget to read up on Pat Robertson. In particular, check out his annual predictions for each new year. Same guy who said the Asian tsunami was God's Wrath on muslims...
Pat the Man

Oh, and I understand he makes mean pancakes and shakes....

23. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

This is one of the best written replies I have ever read on such a touchy subject. People from other countries should certainly read it and learn a little about America.

Have you forgotten the source, Kris? Where exactly are you reffering to? I am interested in reading it!! Would like to understand the American view on this complicated issue:).

24. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting beerman

This is one of the best written replies I have ever read on such a touchy subject. People from other countries should certainly read it and learn a little about America.

Have you forgotten the source, Kris? Where exactly are you reffering to? I am interested in reading it!! Would like to understand the American view on this complicated issue:).

No, I'm not forgetting the source. But the sources you quoted...Good Morning America?...my, that's not terribly different than getting your information from Teletubbies.

Swimmer was absolutely right: people want to see controversy, not normality. Controversial people tend to get more news coverage, but it doesn't necessarily mean they have full popular support. There are fringe groups everywhere, but they do not represent the norm.

Americans are generally very mainstream...we tend not to be either too conservative or too liberal. But again, the loudest voice, even of an imbecile, gets the news coverage. Just like the old news saying: If it bleeds, it leads (the newscast).

25. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting t1way

There are religious fundamentalists everywhere.

I think that is not true. This issue is not known in Europe and also not in Australia. Religion is here not as important as in north-america. In south-European countries its more, but not much in politics....

Northern Ireland springs to mind - years of killings in the name of religion. Then there's the middle east. And Solar Temple in Switzerland. Extreme Catholicism in South America, even Spain.

I think the media - in the US and abroad - does a lot to shape our ideas about the US and religion. Fundamentalists make for much better TV than boring old average people.

26. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Europeans are more level-headed. They feel much less compassion for extremism as in Northern-America.

Wouter, you can't claim this as a fact. It wasn't that long ago that Germany invaded the rest of Europe and communism was the standard in Eastern Europe.... have you ever talked to devout Catholics in Italy/Spain about their views?

Europeans are no more level headed than Americans, and I'm sure you know of all the hatred in the Netherlands against immigrants that still very much exists. Also, especially in Holland, if you are a Christian you get the same looks that an atheist might get in some parts of the States. That doesn't make them 'righter', it just makes them frown on people for totally the opposite reasons. It just makes them informed and educated along different principles. You feel just as strongly about your view as an extremist might feel; doesn't that also make you an extremist??

FYI, I strongly dislike the use of the word extremist here, but I'll stick with it since it's what makes this thread so controversial.

I'd also like to point out that I have never heard of women having 'less rights'. As far as I am aware, this is not a part of any Christian belief, even the more fundamental and strict groups.

Evangelism is separate to the group of let's say 'fanatics' you are talking about as it only really refers to the spreading of the gospel. You are referring to it as a negative thing which by definition it is not (seeing as the gospel is a message of love foremost).

27. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

No, I'm not forgetting the source. But the sources you quoted...Good Morning America?...my, that's not terribly different than getting your information from Teletubbies.

Teletubbies, really? This is maybe a tabloid like article but is everything in it just crap, is it all a lie? I agree with you that this articale has some sensation factor in it. But to say this is tinky winky, no. Those coloured friends don't say a word and are not really sophisticated and rather stupid, you know! A little bit like Arnold Schwarzeneggers adventure in Calefornia. Europeans are still joking over it.

28. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting beerman

No, I'm not forgetting the source. But the sources you quoted...Good Morning America?...my, that's not terribly different than getting your information from Teletubbies.

Teletubbies, really? This is maybe a tabloid like article but is everything in it just crap, is it all a lie? I agree with you that this articale has some sensation factor in it. But to say this is tinky winky, no. Those coloured friends don't say a word and are not really sophisticated and rather stupid, you know! A little bit like Arnold Schwarzeneggers adventure in Calefornia. Europeans are still joking over it.

I think that's called exagerating to make a point :)

By the way, I'm certainly not joking about Arnold in California and I definitely don't think he's stupid (although I would go that far on a current presidential level). As far as I can tell he is doing a GREAT job and bringing a lot more environmental awareness than any other politician worldwide. In the long run, this is going to be one of the most crucial factors driving our globe and everyone will be remembering him as a visionary politician.... plus, most of the role of governors/presidents/prime ministers is just acting anyway, so who better than an actor to do it?! Advisors behind them do most of the work/deciding

29. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Sam I Am

Europeans are no more level headed than Americans, and I'm sure you know of all the hatred in the Netherlands against immigrants that still very much exists. Also, especially in Holland, if you are a Christian you get the same looks that an atheist might get in some parts of the States.

Weird looks if you are a Christian? Yes true. And that is exactly my point. This are the moderate ones and don't speak openly about their faith. If I say I am Christian in Holland people don't know really how to react. In the more developed and educated society in US (the big cities, LA, NY, Miami, Seattle) this is the same. They don't need faith because they have all they want. But not in the rural places, they need god as saviour and have potential of getting extremistic thoughts.

Quoting Sam I am

I'd also like to point out that I have never heard of women having 'less rights'. As far as I am aware, this is not a part of any Christian belief, even the more fundamental and strict groups.

How long ago have you visited the Netherlands for the last time? Remember the SGP ("de verschrikkelijke" Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij....brrrrr cold as ice and scary). Do you understand my point of view a little, Sam? Maybe I am influenced by the media and tabloid like articles but that is the information I get. The SGP wants traditional roles for women (the kitchen). Hatred against muslims and illegals is connected with the terrible backwarded Hardenberg in the province of Overijssel in the Netherlands. The main area of the SGP. Some people don't get their kids vaccinated with the Polio vaccine. And why do these backwarded people think that? Because if god wants them to get Polio, it has a reason...lunatic that is. Is that civilization?.

30. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Sam I Am

Arnold in California and I definitely don't think he's stupid (although I would go that far on a current presidential level). As far as I can tell he is doing a GREAT job and bringing a lot more environmental awareness than any other politician worldwide.

Um...don't know!

Quoting Sam I am

Advisors behind them do most of the work/deciding

Yes exactly, that's why I can't stop laughing;)

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 6, 2007, at 6:47 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

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