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221. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting james

Then it seems to me that a lot of people who believe they follow Islam have got it all wrong. In fact, it seems to me that the stronger their faith, the more wrong they are. Those societies that are strictly Islamic, well, they have it all wrong as well when it comes to treating women.
Seems to me that Islam is in crisis in this regard wouldn't you say?

Don't talk about something you really don't know a thing about, I should say. Because that is obviously the case with you;)

I think it is a good idea, to talk about things we dont know about. That indicates to others, where they can provide more information.

222. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting james

Then it seems to me that a lot of people who believe they follow Islam have got it all wrong. In fact, it seems to me that the stronger their faith, the more wrong they are. Those societies that are strictly Islamic, well, they have it all wrong as well when it comes to treating women.
Seems to me that Islam is in crisis in this regard wouldn't you say?

Don't talk about something you really don't know a thing about, I should say. Because that is obviously the case with you;)

I think it is a good idea, to talk about things we dont know about. That indicates to others, where they can provide more information.

I agree with you Mel. I was told not to....

"talk about something you really don't know a thing about, I should say. Because that is obviously the case with you"

... I didn't say it.

223. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting misslissa

There are 224,437,959 Christians in the U.S today. 38.8 million are non-religious and secular. The largest denomination (that means the majority of the people (the 224.4 million Christians) are CATHOLIC. They are hardly known for their fundamentalism.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#ubiquitous

I think this needs to be pointed out...
The 224,437,959 Christians in the US is an estimated total (as of 2004) based on data collected in 1990 and 2001. Again, all of the data contained in the Top Twenty Religions in the United States, 2001 table is estimated data - not actual head count. Granted, the page makes for an interesting read, but the numbers are still statistically generated from polling 113,000 people in 1990 and 50,000 in 2001. Though not stated anywhere in the text, nor in the tables, the stardard deviation is probably significant itself.

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Taken from the 2000 census responses - these maps show a breakdown of the different religious groups and their density across the US.

Source: American Ethnic Geography - Valpariso University

224. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

The clash between muslims and christians is only to be solved by opening the dialog. Unfortunately the world is not ready for that, yet. Both fundamental christians and muslims are the problem. If people keep interpreting the books in an extreme matter, they will never understand each other. The way to peace between religions is a long one. Because the loudest screamers set the tone in this age. I hope the world will ever have moderates as religious leaders...

225. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

The clash between muslims and christians is only to be solved by opening the dialog. Unfortunately the world is not ready for that, yet. Both fundamental christians and muslims are the problem. If people keep interpreting the books in an extreme matter, they will never understand each other. The way to peace between religions is a long one. Because the loudest screamers set the tone in this age. I hope the world will ever have moderates as religious leaders...

Trouble is Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ, you may think that people are interpreting the book in an extreme manner, but they don't.

226. Posted by coastalsue (Budding Member 5 posts) 9y

it is sad, but after 911 I think people got really scared and clung to their religion and got more conservative.

Yes, I think that the U.S. probably does have a lot of fundamentalist christians. I know 2 of my brothers are and my best friends ex-husband and most of his kids, to my friend's dismay.

I live in California and basically the West Coast is fairly open, especially California. There are a lot of New Age people here as well.

227. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting coastalsue

it is sad, but after 911 I think people got really scared and clung to their religion and got more conservative.

exactly! thanks for confirming my point of view and my concerns;)

228. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

The clash between muslims and christians is only to be solved by opening the dialog. Unfortunately the world is not ready for that, yet. Both fundamental christians and muslims are the problem. If people keep interpreting the books in an extreme matter, they will never understand each other. The way to peace between religions is a long one. Because the loudest screamers set the tone in this age. I hope the world will ever have moderates as religious leaders...

dialog with who?
Mullah Omar and Mullah Dadullah of the Taliban?
The Shit Theocracy in Iran?
The Wahhabist/Salafist filth?

229. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting wotthefiqh

dialog with who?
Mullah Omar and Mullah Dadullah of the Taliban?
The Shit Theocracy in Iran?
The Wahhabist/Salafist filth?

Hi wotthefiqh. I understand you point quite clear. There are many different movements within Islam but also within christianity. that makes a dialog ofcourse very complicated. As to start I would think a dialog between the more moderate movements of islamists and christians. A dialog between for instance a wahabist and a evangelical is by far impossible at this moment. I would like to see a dialog between the pope, important western leaders (non fundamentalists, so no bush), moderate islamic leaders and politicians from for instance Turkey, Egypt and Marocco (which seem to be the more moderate countries). I think this could be a good start to discuss the problems.

230. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting fuchsinrot

like recently a women's rights bill was passed in pakistan ...

I read about a women rights law, that has been recently passed in Pakistan.
Now, if a woman is raped, she only needs 2 male witnesses. Before this law was passed, she would have needed 5 male witnesses.
Fuchinrot, are they taking the piss or what?

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