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351. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1594 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Hi there,
Religion is everywhere in US. In the smaller towns religion is as important as it was in Europe in the 19th century. Bush uses christianity to empower his statements (like the crusaders against the islam). According to a documentary I saw that 80 million Americans (US) are Christian fundamentalists. In the US its better not to say that you are an atheist. In Europe that is accepted, it seems that churches in Europe are getting emptier and emptier. While US is full of fundamentalists. Is this healthy?

Cheers and thanks for any reply,

The question you should ask is "is it healthy for Europe to turn away from churches?"

I find it rather amusing that someone from a country that today puts little emphasis on Christian Fundamentalism now has more of their young people turning to Islam for their faith! So, instead of bashing Christians in America you ought to be stocking up on Korans for your young people who are converts to Islam! Month after month Islam gets a stronger foothold on your country, replacing mosques for churches in the process! Good business opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the business of making Burqas and teaching Arabic!

Because there has been so much emphasis on Muslims in the Netherlands the far right has come out against Muslims like the KKK in America came out against blacks. Perhaps the Netherlands and Europe should have put more emphasis on going to church because it looks like mosques will replace them!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6159046.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6160620.stm

http://www.gebladerte.nl/30106v01.htm

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/890

Go ahead and knock Christians in America, at least they aren't flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people in the name of Mohammad or forcing their woment wear bags over their heads!

Doctor, doctor - first heal thyself!

352. Posted by Delimor (Budding Member 96 posts) 9y

America is a highly religious country, and has been since its earliest days. Nearly every religion in the world has adherents or organized institutions in the United States. American religious institutions are large, powerful and influential in social and political life. Even Americans who are members of no established religion are likely to believe in God. According to a Gallup opinion survey, nearly all Americans, 98% of them, do, compared to 84% in Switzerland, 73% in France and 60% in Sweden. Americans also tend to believe in life after death: 73% compared to 50% in Switzerland and only 38% in Great Britain. About 60% of Americans are members of a church, synagogue or other religious group, though many more identify with various religions because of their birth or upbringing. About 40% of Americans attend religious services regularly, compared to only 20% in Great Britain.

American adults as I know are
77 ... Christian down from 86.5 percent in 1990 / Various Protestant denominations accounted for 52 percent, while Roman Catholics, at 24.5 percent.

non-Christian faiths were Judaism (1.4 percent), Islam (0.5 percent), Buddhism (0.5 percent), Hinduism (0.4 percent), and Unitarian Universalism (0.3 percent). Between 1990 and 2001, the number of Muslims and Buddhists more than doubled. 14.2 agnostic, atheist, or simply having no religion.

353. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1594 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Hi there,
Religion is everywhere in US. In the smaller towns religion is as important as it was in Europe in the 19th century. Bush uses christianity to empower his statements (like the crusaders against the islam). According to a documentary I saw that 80 million Americans (US) are Christian fundamentalists. In the US its better not to say that you are an atheist. In Europe that is accepted, it seems that churches in Europe are getting emptier and emptier. While US is full of fundamentalists. Is this healthy?

Cheers and thanks for any reply,

Religion in the United States is the glue that keeps the country together and and a driving force that made America the powerhouse it is today! Adherence to any religion in America is not compulsory it is something a person is raised in as a child or chosen as a free thinking adult!

(From todays press releases on religion in the Netherlands.)

Pray to Allah, Dutch bishop suggests:

Amsterdam, Aug. 14, 2007 (CWNews.com) - A Dutch Catholic bishop has suggested that Christians should refer to God as "Allah" to promote better relations with Muslims.

(http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=52928)

What's next in the Netherlands, churches giving Christian sermons in Arabic?

Citizens of the Netherlands are not in any position to criticize the religions of America! Traditional established religion in America doesn't bother us it shouldn't bother you so much!

Amen!

354. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting karazyal

The question you should ask is "is it healthy for Europe to turn away from churches?"
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I find it rather amusing that someone from a country that today puts little emphasis on Christian Fundamentalism now has more of their young people turning to Islam for their faith!
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Perhaps the Netherlands and Europe should have put more emphasis on going to church because it looks like mosques will replace them!
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Doctor, doctor - first heal thyself!

What a complete load of nonsense.

First of all, one person can't be judged by the doings of it's nation. (although some internetusers, seem to differ if you see, the American bashing going on, because America voted a monkey (2x!!!) into the White House). Wouterrr asked himself (and thereby us) the question at the beginning of the topic (based on a documentary), how powerful the religious movement in the US really is. Would it be likely to only have Republican Presidents, could be one of these questions. It's no secret, that most religious organisations, will prefer a Republican in office.

Tell me why can't someone from the Netherlands say something about Christianity in the U.S., because Christianity is dwindling fast in the Netherlands? You are making the big mistake, that someone who is no believer, also can't be interested in religions. According to your logic, thinking different is wrong, so the Earth would still be flat, and the Earth would be the centerpoint of the Universe. If thinking different is wrong, progress would be halted in many ways.

By the way, what needs to be healed? Because we don't believe what you believe doesn't mean we need to be rescued or healed in any way. Pointing to the rise of right wing parties in the Netherlands is nice, but it only proves that the Netherlands in no different than the other surrounding countries. The right wing ideas have always been present, and a group of maybe 20-30% agree with them, if they are brought in the right ( ? ) way. You can see this in Belgium (Vlaams Blok/Belang), France (Le Pen), Germany (NPD), Austria (FPÖ/Jorg Haider). The message these parties spread have always been brought in a rubbish way in the Netherlands, so now that someone found the right tone to address these potential voters. It surely can be no surprise, that the Netherlands turns out, just the same as the countries it is surrounded by (unfortunately).

Religion is not the glue, you want to bond a country. This might have been a key bonding factor for countries and kingdoms until the middle ages, where it was an easy to way keep people who couldn't read or write, or have no access to study, under the rule of government, simply by keeping them stupid and scared. But in a modern society, people have access to a lot of other new ideas. People also see that especialy Christianity and Islam, has been used as an excuse for a lot of suffering going on in the past centuries.

Mosqs will be build in Europe (I believe you mean Western Europe, as a big part of the Balkan region is Islamic), but they will not replace Churches. Studies reveal, that also Islamic people who live in the Netherlands, are no longer as religious as they were. It shows, that 60% of muslims in the Netherland, don't go to a mosq, or don't pray at all. As it is less acceptable to say, you don't consider yourself a muslim anymore, a lot of ex-muslims don't say that they are atheists now. By less acceptable, you have to know that ex-muslims dishonour their family, and risk being beaten up or murdered. (fear again, being used as a way to keep people in) More or less in the same way, Christianity tried to keep people inside the church, a few centuries ago by killing people who they think could think differently (witchburning).

I don't want to be healed, especialy not by Christians of any kind. I don't have any religion, and I am perfectly happy with that. To know that one day you will die, gives you all the reason to make something out of every single day. And by the way if you are a Christian, then you should stick to one of the ten commandments: Respect thy neighbor. That means also the ones on the internet, and the ones with a different opinion, so don't go around telling people, they can't give there opinion.

355. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting karazyal

Religion in the United States is the glue that keeps the country together and and a driving force that made America the powerhouse it is today!

Then, why has religion not made Egypt, Iran, Ireland and a number of other countries into the powerhouse that America is?

356. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

I don't want to be healed, especialy not by Christians of any kind. I don't have any religion, and I am perfectly happy with that. To know that one day you will die, gives you all the reason to make something out of every single day. And by the way if you are a Christian, then you should stick to one of the ten commandments: Respect thy neighbor. That means also the ones on the internet, and the ones with a different opinion, so don't go around telling people, they can't give there opinion.

Herr Bert, people who are not religous do not have a monopoly on making something out of every day. I'm sure that's the goal of all people of all religous persuasions.

357. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert


According to your logic, thinking different is wrong,

According to the "logic" of many, thinking differently is wrong.
People like to know, that if they take certain actions and/or say certain things there will be a certain non varying result every time.
Ecentric individuals are a threat to this, so they are strongly resisted by conservative people.

358. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

In addition. It seems that many American choose a leader out of religion. If Bush mutters something about Jesus everyone votes for him. That's crazy. It seems like a theocracy instead of Secularized state. Its almost the Iran of the Christians.

Let's return to al-Qaeda.
If we accept the unsupported premise that the USA has become the CSA (totalitarian theocratic Christian States of America, not Confederate States of America), and is comparable to The Islamic Republic of Iran, that begs the question -

Which theocratic dictatorship is preferable?

Perhaps this experiment would provide the answer.

Have -

1) an official from the US State Department open a stall in central Tehran offering US Green Cards and free flight tickets to New York for any takers

1) the Iranian ambassador to the UN open a stall in Times Square in New York handing out Iranian Green Cards and free flight tickets to Tehran for any takers

I wouldn't expect the US goverment or New York mayor Michael Rubens Bloomberg (what the hell is a Jew doing governing the greatest city in the world and in a strictly Christian country???) raising too many objections, but no chance that khamenei and his cabal would let an acolyte of the Great Satan tempt the faithful from the true path.

I would expect the following -

1) the State Department official would be torn limb from limb, either by Iranians frantically scrambling to escape the tyranny of the mullah, or killed by the Revolutionary Guard for corrupting the faithful

2) excluding souvenir seekers of which I would be one, you could probably count the number of distributed Iranian Green Cards on a leper's hand

As Mark Steyn (Canadian colonialist propoganda mouthpiece) wrote "there are millions of Muslims in Scandinavia, and four Scandinavians in Syria".

359. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

In addition. It seems that many American choose a leader out of religion. If Bush mutters something about Jesus everyone votes for him. That's crazy. It seems like a theocracy instead of Secularized state. Its almost the Iran of the Christians.

Now you are back, perhaps we can close the thread you started.

If we accept your unsupported premise that the USA has become the CSA (totalitarian theocratic Christian States of America, not Confederate States of America), and is comparable to The Islamic Republic of Iran, that begs the question -

Which theocratic dictatorship would you prefer to live under?

Would you fly to Tehran or New York?

360. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Now you are back, perhaps we can close the thread you started.

Why?
I think it should stay here for as long as people have something to add.
I am always interested in hearing peoples points of view, in case somebody introduces a thought that I have not yet thunk.;)