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41. Posted by dr.pepper (Travel Guru 316 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Quoting dr.pepper

Hey Wouter,
What exactly do you mean by "extremist Christians"? What does it mean to "follow Christianity in extreme"?

Below is my personal opinion, based on things I read in Newsweek and saw on television.

Extremist Christians are in my opinion Christians that live according to the book literaly. That means no sex before marriage, no abortion, no euthanasia, homosexuality is a disease, less rights for women (only in the kitchen). What is worse, they believe that Christianity is the only true faith.

Interesting definition. As a Christian myself, I'm in two minds as to whether I'm classified as an extremist Christian or not. I "live according to the book" as best as I can. I hold Jesus' statement that he is the "way, the truth, and the life" to be true. Those are my beliefs and if that makes me "extremist" so be it.

Here's what confuses me about your definition. You say I'm an extremist if I live according to the book, and then you add what you think that means. Yet if I lived according to the book, I don't really see how I would arrive at the conclusion that women should have less rights, that homosexuality is a disease and that euthanasia is wrong. I don't see abortion mentioned anywhere in the book either. I can see how "living according to the book" would lead me to not have sex until I'm married though, so I guess that's one out of five.

If I lived according to the book, I suppose I would start with what Jesus called the greatest commands, to love God and to love my neighbour as myself.

Love.

Not hate.

It's your choice how you choose to define "extreme Christians", but I refuse to believe that living according to the book is bad.

42. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Dr.Pepper

Here's what confuses me about your definition. You say I'm an extremist if I live according to the book, and then you add what you think that means. Yet if I lived according to the book, I don't really see how I would arrive at the conclusion that women should have less rights, that homosexuality is a disease and that euthanasia is wrong. I don't see abortion mentioned anywhere in the book either. I can see how "living according to the book" would lead me to not have sex until I'm married though, so I guess that's one out of five.

Hey Eric,

Agree with you in this, and I understand the confusion. I am similar to you. I am a Catholic and I try to go to church atleast once per month, I like that. I also try to live according to the bible, and the words of Jesus Christ. You are not an fundamental or extremistic in this. You believe in love and not hate so that doesn't make you a conservative and make interpretions of the bible in different and extreme ways. You wouldn't think wrong about homosexuals and you respect other religions.

You should know that the bible says that homosexuality is not natural. Also the pope is actually not pleased about homosexuality (atleast againt homosexual marriage). Also the koran speaks in a negative way about homosexuality. But times have changed. Nowadays it is accepted in many parts of the world. There are homosexual marriages these days in Netherlands, Canada and recently in South-Africa. Fundamentalists go back to the deeper roots of the bible. And take it literaly and get their own interpretation. The evangelics preach their devotees to not accept homosexuals. Is that good? Have they choosed to be homosexual? And how pathetic is the story of Ted Haggard. You should not live according to the book but according to Christ. And that means that you have respect, compassion, love and peace towards every race, religion and sex. One should not take the bible or Koran literaly. Because times have changed.

Religion is good. Every religion has the same basics of love and peace. But it are the people that disfigure it and make it how they like. I believe that no religion is the one. Everyone in the world, whether he or she is muslim, hindu, christian, buddhist or zoroastrian, we all believe in the same god. The different religions are just interpreted differently based on culture and location.

I want to emphasize that I am not a theologist. The things I wrote are based on my limited knowledge about christianty. I hope I gave reasonable facts or ideas, otherwise one should please correct me. Tnx.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 6, 2007, at 2:33 PM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

43. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 9y

hmmmm
i hope no one gets offended here after reading where i am from
anyways ... iv strictly read all posts till page 3, then i got tired and came running to the last page sorry
right now i just see this clash of europe and america in all you guys' talk and because islam is also being talked about here ... i realised the serious deficiency of a muslim to reply to this thread. i hope i am welcome here. mostly when m talking to someone online, and they fine out where m from, they kinda take a step back, unless its some punk 15 yr old wearing black lipstick who is sick of EVERYTHING in general
getting serious ... firstly .. i am not going to comment on anyone here or target their belief or whatever .. everybody has the right to practice life as they wish .. cuz everybody is born with a brain ... which, if functions correct, should allow one to come down to a reasonable rationale about things in general. i am not going to talk about religion either ... what i do want to comment on is 'human nature'
i hear people say oh i am by the book, so am i extremist ... honey ... plz first tell me ... to love, to be peaceful, to be acceptable, to be honest, to be welcome, to be understanding ... and all that ... is that a matter of religion? i dont think so .... its pure human nature ... a positive mind, a positive human being would obviously be all this. as far as what and who we worship ... is a 'human need'. humans in general have this need to give everything reason. we like to believe that there is a higher being who is responsible for all the working of everything around us. i can question what my god looks like, where he is, and the sort .... but i cant make this an issue to be a believer or a non-believer (to all athiests) .... if u cant see or havent seen something, that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. its a matter of faith ... and if acknowledging that there is a mighty being out there and if worshipping Him gives you peace of mind and soul ... whats so wrong abt that? and everybody knows that worship gives peace.
as for the very HOT word .. "extremism" ... it is literaly deviation from the normal .... and involving yourself too much in one thing that you dont accept anything but your own belief there onwards. nobody likes extremism. its not even "religious" actually. religion teaches you to be adaptable ... m not even going to touch 9/11 as of now ... later yes ... then i'd like to know how u react to what we think here ... all those people who coined and use the term "islamist or christian fundamentalist" ... please first clear your mind on the fact .... there is no such thing as a religious fundamentalist... people who turn extremist or fundamentalist dont remain religious at all .... what religion teaches you to be so?

44. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Kris, I am not talking crap. Its a fact that 80 million Americans are extremist christians (out of 360 million or so). They are mostly from the rural areas and they follow Christianity in extreme like it was in Europe one hundred years ago. Its a fact. I am a Christian myself, but I would always see religion and politics as seperate. Religion and politics together is deadly...

Where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a disease?

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 7, 2007, at 12:11 AM by james ]

45. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 9y

it may not say its a desease .... but homosexuality has not been accepted or supported in any of the holy books .... Bible or the Quran ...

homosexuality ... actually .... in Islam and its Book has been quoted as a Sin ... the biggest sin which wont be forgiven ....
so if it is a sin ... it is a societal disease if a society is supporting it ...
it is against the law of nature ... Man and Woman were created for each other for that sexual need .. bla bla .... not man for man or woman for woman .... if it was ok .... why would Eve even be created ... Adam wouldve been pretty much sufficient ... then ud say she was created so that babies could be made .... well .... therez your point .... if it was ok for man and man and vice versa .... we'd rather be asexuals then!
i havent read the Bible .... i wont say anything on that behalf

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 7, 2007, at 12:20 AM by fuchsinrot ]

46. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

fuchsinrot, don't look for a problem where one doesn't exist.

My point is that according to Wouter, 80 million Americans are extremist christians and also according to Wouter, they believe that homosexuality is a disease as they live their lives literally according to to the bible.

Again I ask, where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a disease?

47. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 9y

when i first opened the page ... ur question wasnt visible ... only after the page was refreshed ... after id posted .... was it there ... so i hope u can read my reply now ...
and as for .... "dont look for a problem where ONE DOESNT EXIST" .... excuse me?

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 7, 2007, at 12:26 AM by fuchsinrot ]

48. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

fuchsinrot, don't say something that gets a reply you don't like and then edit your original post and claim that you don't know what I'm talking about.

It makes people question your integrity.

49. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 9y

lets not get lame here james ... i dont need to make excuses for anything ... your post wasnt aimed at me .... i couldnt see the end of your post which had the question ....after refreshing when i saw the question .... i just replied to your query by editing the reply .... and excused and told the reason for it as well .... if u just want to be immature about it ... and keep blabbing about what a "lack of integrity" i am .... BE MY GUEST.

and not like id insulted or targeted u ... or questioned your integrity .... in any way in my initial post either!

lets be civil here .... as u claim to be one too ...

50. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 9y

Quoting fuchsinrot

it may not say its a desease .... but homosexuality has not been accepted or supported in any of the holy books .... Bible or the Quran ...

-snip-

i havent read the Bible .... i wont say anything on that behalf

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