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71. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ

Yes you are obviously an Atheist. Its your right to be. But no single person on this world is able to prove that god does or doesn't excist. religion and mis interpretations of the books are a worldwide problem. And have caused wars and will cause wars in the future. But you can't say that god doesn't excist, because you can't back that up. Apparantly there are a lot people in this world (probably the majority on this planet) that do believe in a god. So they say the opposite. But also without the prove. So its the atheist against the rest of the world. Who is right? That will we never know in daily life.

About, proving if God exists or not, see my boyfriends comment, above.
And the majority of people in the world believe that men are better than women. I dont go with the majority means proof, in this case, either.

72. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Sam I Am

Quite a few smart people, including many scientists, believe there is a God for example....

Would u kindly give examples, of those scientists. As far as I see, religion and science seem to be at odds, with each other.

Mel[/quote]

Its no use to start a discussion whether god excists or not. Its really no use. The both of you (in this case Mel and Sam) have totally different views and those views are non-flexible. Believing in god or not believing is a way of live. How can you change that. There are no arguments enough because there is no scientific evidence. What is true is the fact that religion is causing a lot of problems in this world. That is why people become atheists, to avoid all this. But a religion is based on respect, love etc. and that's the other side of the coin. Believers feel good by their religion, it gives them strength in bad times. Religion is abused by extremists who try to reach their political goals.

73. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

So it's not really the religion that's causing the problem - it's the abuse of the power? So should the main effort then not be on education about religion and the different viewpoints rather than on the religion itself? Should we not question the religious leaders rather than the religion itself? And also take into account the different sects within a religion?
I think religion is very important, we all need something to belief in (even if that belief is science) and a lot of religious practices are based on social conduct and if you remove the religious aspect it creates a vacuum that's got to be filled with something else.

74. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Pardus

So it's not really the religion that's causing the problem - it's the abuse of the power? So should the main effort then not be on education about religion and the different viewpoints rather than on the religion itself? Should we not question the religious leaders rather than the religion itself? And also take into account the different sects within a religion?
I think religion is very important, we all need something to belief in (even if that belief is science) and a lot of religious practices are based on social conduct and if you remove the religious aspect it creates a vacuum that's got to be filled with something else.

Sorry Pardus. Maybe I haven't explained that good enough. But that is exactly my point of view. Extremists are using religion in a bad way to get what they want. And that is power, exactly. Its indeed the (or certain) people that use the religion in a way that it causes problems or even worse, war. We should question the religious leaders. I think too that religion is important. Because what the hell are we doing here if there is nothing....

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 7, 2007, at 8:51 AM by Wﺭﺍﺪﻤﺎﮐﺭ ]

75. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

And the majority of people in the world believe that men are better than women. I dont go with the majority means proof, in this case, either.

That has to do with religion. Because the book says that women are lower then men. people that still think like that are unflexible in interpretation.

76. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Because what the hell are we doing here if there is nothing....

What would be the problem, for you if there is no God?

77. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

Because what the hell are we doing here if there is nothing....

What would be the problem, for you if there is no God?

There would not necesarily be a problem. But what is the use of living 80 years and then die and then nothing and darkness? This very much off the topic and beyond my brains. So I am not going to discuss this. Sorry, herr bert!:)

78. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

OK, back on topic.....

Wouter, come to America, travel to as many small towns as you possibly can (I can make a nice list for you), and you will see that this country is not populated by fundamentalists, but by an enormously diverse group of people....and some complete lunatics, likely including me.

Don't judge a book by its cover, don't judge a country by its politicians. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Heal, I say. Ye shall find salvation in ME. (BTW, ME is the postal acronym for the State of Maine.)

And Mel, men are superior because we have the penises.....it's a proven fact, we have the penises........

79. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

And Mel, men are superior because we have the penises.....it's a proven fact, we have the penises........

I dunno - sme women have penises. In jars, like.

80. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

And Mel, men are superior because we have the penises.....it's a proven fact, we have the penises........

Dear, you do this to me all the time - beat me to the joke!
But, I digress and will continue with my comments momentarily... This thread has made for an interesting read and an interesting study in the multiple in-roads of religious outlooks.

Mel - see if you can't get your boyfriend to join TP so he can comment in the first person. I think he could be an interesting contributor in his own right. ;)

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 7, 2007, at 9:22 AM by Isadora ]

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