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41. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 9y

Good one, let's just blame the English - we had nothing to do with it.

The British cant wash their hands of it. They are historically responsible for the genocide that occured under the empire. The British carried out the only successful genocide in human history - that of Aboriginal Tazmania. (not a single living decendant) I have read transcripts of how British businessmen and nobles were granted land there that was taken away from the locals. The locals soon starved and came back to 'steal' live stock and food. When caught, It was a passtime of the settlers to cut of their penises (sorry for being crude) and watch them bleed to death - in fact they even invited their neighbours round to watch! This was administered under the crown, so you cant say the British had nothing to do with it. In actual fact the Australians inherited the legacy of British cruelty and carried it on for some years.

In the 1950s, the British (with Australian complicity) dropped A-bombs on Aboriginal territory, without even warning the locals. Aboriginals were treated like animals by both the British and Australians until relativley recently.

42. Posted by kevandshan (Full Member 142 posts) 9y

I don't think anyone likes working, especially when 48.5% of your income goes toward supporting 30% of this country!

History is history....you can't change it what ever happened.

I will say that I have known some aboriginals who were respectful and friendly. Sadly, the majority in the bigger cities spoil it for the hard working remainder.

I have seen first hand what some of them are capable of. I have worked on contracts that build kitchens for their houses....cabinets made of STEEL....how many of you need steel cabinets? If you ever travel to the remote north west of WA you will understand why, at the pub, they drink in cages! Yes, still today.

Where are all the bush mechanics...they rock.

43. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 9y

As far as the alcholism goes, I heard one explanation.. Not sure how true it is though...

Aparently, when Europeans first came to Australia they introduced alcohol, previously unknown to Aboriginals.. As we (as in westerners), have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years (initially because of lack of clean drinking water), our bodies have adapted to cope with it. Aboriginals have only been drinking for maybe 100-200 years, so their pyshiology is completley unadapted to it. Thats why they supposedly have such issues with it.

Has anyone else heard this before?

44. Posted by dannyboy7 (Full Member 167 posts) 9y

Woah there...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am i missing the point here......When you go travelling you can't help but learn so much about the cultures and their history and in between that your supposed to be having a good time........
you need to lighten up dude....there are so many places on the planet that are still fighting to co-exist with there neighbors.
Many cultures have made mistakes and have hopefully learned by them...... When i was in oz i found that the aussies have really embraced the aboriginal culture and and seem really proud to be finally working together....... It's still such a young country with a really recent history so give them chance to put it right...... and enjoy the place......it's probably the most beautiful place on the planet.
hope you make the right decision mate
take care

45. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting HafJafMark

As we (as in westerners), have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years (initially because of lack of clean drinking water), our bodies have adapted to cope with it. Aboriginals have only been drinking for maybe 100-200 years, so their pyshiology is completley unadapted to it.

So what explains the inebriated western people vomiting and causing fights on Friday and Saturday nights in most western cities?

That "explanation" is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while.

46. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 9y

Well why do you think that alcohol has a more detrimental effect on Aboriginis than White Australians?

47. Posted by ikey (Full Member 172 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Quoting HafJafMark

As we (as in westerners), have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years (initially because of lack of clean drinking water), our bodies have adapted to cope with it. Aboriginals have only been drinking for maybe 100-200 years, so their pyshiology is completley unadapted to it.

So what explains the inebriated western people vomiting and causing fights on Friday and Saturday nights in most western cities?

That "explanation" is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while.

It's actually true (believed by many experts anyway).
Of course alcohol is still a huge problem for westerners, but nothing compared to the problem it is for Aboriginals.
Unfortunately they never had a chance to build up any tolerance to alcohol like Europeans did. It's not a recent problem either, many Aboriginals became alcoholics as soon as the First Fleet arrived, some of the accounts from the early settlers say that the Aboriginals seemed to get addicted after a single taste.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 24, 2007, at 10:54 PM by ikey ]

48. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

I'm not denying that aboriginals have a lower tolerance to alcohol than non aboriginals.

But to say that my tolerance is higher due to my family history - this is what you are saying - is ridiculous.

49. Posted by ikey (Full Member 172 posts) 9y

Quoting james

I'm not denying that aboriginals have a lower tolerance to alcohol than non aboriginals.

But to say that my tolerance is higher due to my family history - this is what you are saying - is ridiculous.

Why is it so 'ridiculous'? It's no different to your relatives passing down a 'tolerance' to ancient killers such as the common flu, smallpox, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc, etc..

Aboriginal people never made wine or brewed beer, their first experience with alcohol was when the white man arrived, and as a result their metabolism never grew accustomed to it: Aboriginal biology has no tolerance of alcohol.

The unfortunate side effect is that it takes very little to get an Aborigine off his or her trolley.

This is just one of the MANY reasons why Aboriginals have such a high rate of Alcoholism.

50. Posted by phileas (Respected Member 67 posts) 9y

On a recent visit to Walgun (more commonly known as Byron Bay), I took a stroll up to the lighthouse which overlooks the bay - a beautiful spot for sunrise or sunset btw. I was encouraged to see the that the peeps who look after the site and surrounding bush - the National Parks & Wildlife Service (part of the dept of Environment & Conservation NSW) - made many positive references (not the best word to use I'm sure) to the local Aboriginee clan - the Bunjalung people.

For example, a dreamtime story depicted on a plaque was followed by the footnote 'this story was used with kind permission of the Walgun people'.

It's only a small thing but the first of it's kind I'd seen in Australia and that kind of perspective for a government dept was really encouraging - it shows a mark of respect and humility for us 'white' folk to be privileged to be here.

I turned to the Aussie gentleman next to me to remark on this and he took this as an opportunity to ridicule Dreamtime stories as a farsical affair and how stupid the Abo's realy are - the moment was quite lost :(

And there I meet the great divide (not the mountain range).

That said, I checked out the National Parks service and found loads of good stuff on Aboriginal people & cultural life - check it out here.