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41. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

We white folk here in the first world, are pros at cheating and lying. We have striped others bare, and made laws to make sure we hold on to what we have gained. Now we want to hold onto our immigration laws, and our restricitions, so we wont have to share, with those we exploited.

Why are so many countires, in the third world so dirt poor, even though they can produce cash crops? Hard wood, coffee, tea, etc. We make sure that it is we who profit, and not them. Why dont we get rid or our restrictions, and allow them an equal opportunity.

Mel, let me quote you what my old geography teacher used to say to me just before he caned me.

"James, your mind is in a wheelchair"

And then after he caned me he'd finish of with..

"James, you are an intellectual cripple".

I was reminded of these quotes when I read your comment.

42. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 9y

I think having no borders can be as simple as having no fence and doors (or maybe even walls) in your house. Is that what you really want? Are you ready for that?

43. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

[quote=Herr Bert]
I think the answer lies much more in a good set of trading rules. If I take a look at the EU (and America), then it is impossible for an African farmer to sell his goods on a European Market, without having to pay huge taxes. While European farmer gets garanteed prices and huge grants. This has to stop. It is crazy that we in Holland, are producing Tomates in a greenhouse, while in other countries these tomates can grow outdoors. It is the EU protecting their own market, and creating problems. By over-producing most of the agricultural products and selling those for very low prices in third world countries, even cheaper than the local farmers can produce them for, the EU is destroying fragile economies. Just for everybodies information, the costs agricultural grants to farmers within the EU, are almost half of the budget spendings in the EU.

Foreign Aid is good but not nearly enough, We need to get rid of these grants, and to lift the taxes on imported good, from outside of the EU.
quote]

That is exactly the idea I am attempting to discuss. But Herr Bert says it so much better, than I do.
When I say the borders, I dont just mean the lines on the maps. I mean the restrictions that are associated, with them.
With the way things have become, we can barely do anything, without it being immoral. Just about all money we gain, and everything we buy is taken from somebody else unfairly. Then we set up our immigration laws, so not only can people from the third world not make money, in their own countries, but they cannot freely come to our countries, either. We allow them in, in dribs and drabs, but do not give them the opportunities that we have.
We use the world as a playground, but yet we allow the environment, in the third world to deterioriate. We do not look after it, but we do not allow the people of the third world, to earn enough money, to look after it themselves.
Would we really be worse off, if we just get rid of the restrictions, that keep them poor, and our countries rich? With the way money is being distributed, there are fewer and fewer people who have more and more of it. Isnt there enough money and resources to go around, if we stop spending so much time, money and energy on protecting ourselves with our restrictions?

44. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

There is more to education, than university degrees.

Ahhh....my mistake then. What type of education did you have in mind that helps prevent dictatorships ?

Being open minded and informed.
Being a dumb intellectual who is able to spew out second hand information is not using education properly.

45. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting james

[quote=Mel.]
Is the former Yugoslavia part of Europe or not? If so, then Europe has had a war in the past 10 years.

However, I'm sure if those people were part of the EU then the tensions and hatred that go back hundreds of years would simply have turned into an exercise of neighbourly cake baking.

I mean the European Union. I think we have made a lot of progression, with our human rights.

46. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting james

[quote=Mel.]

Mel, let me quote you what my old geography teacher used to say to me just before he caned me.

"James, your mind is in a wheelchair"

And then after he caned me he'd finish of with..

"James, you are an intellectual cripple".

I was reminded of these quotes when I read your comment.

I am trying to understand, what u are talking about, but i cant.

47. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting james

[quote=Mel.]

Mel, let me quote you what my old geography teacher used to say to me just before he caned me.

"James, your mind is in a wheelchair"

And then after he caned me he'd finish of with..

"James, you are an intellectual cripple".

I was reminded of these quotes when I read your comment.

I am trying to understand, what u are talking about, but i cant.

Why does that not surprise me....

48. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Quoting Mel.

Quoting james

[quote=Mel.]

Mel, let me quote you what my old geography teacher used to say to me just before he caned me.

"James, your mind is in a wheelchair"

And then after he caned me he'd finish of with..

"James, you are an intellectual cripple".

I was reminded of these quotes when I read your comment.

I am trying to understand, what u are talking about, but i cant.

Why does that not surprise me....

Now I understand.
U are being rude, for some reason, of your own.
Dont u have anything better than that, to contribute, to the discussion?

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 13, 2007, at 2:17 AM by Mel. ]

49. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Being open minded and informed.
Being a dumb intellectual who is able to spew out second hand information is not using education properly.

Then why is it that most of the recent uprisings against tyrannical governments have begun in universities and schools ? Consider Tianmen Square, the Hungarian uprising of 1956, and Kent state.

A person who has trained their mind to be intellectual has trained their mind to be open and receptive to all kinds of information. That's very true. However, you must also be willing to take action. And history has shown us that professional students seem quite willing to take action against what they believe to be wrong.

50. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

I mean the European Union.

I know it's getting picky, but Slovenia is part of the EU, and even (now) the Euro, yet was part of Yugoslavia. Admittedly they managed to avoid all but 5 days of the war, but...