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51. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

[quote=Mel.]
A person who has trained their mind to be intellectual has trained their mind to be open and receptive to all kinds of information.

Yeah, i think that would be truely using their education.
As for taking action. It depends on what action people take. I am not so sure subjecting themselves to being murdered and beaten is such a good idea. But maybe they had no way of knowing that such violence would happen

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 13, 2007, at 5:48 AM by Mel. ]

52. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

I mean the European Union.

I know it's getting picky, but Slovenia is part of the EU, and even (now) the Euro, yet was part of Yugoslavia. Admittedly they managed to avoid all but 5 days of the war, but...

What i am really wondering is what we can do to make the world fairer? So we stop exploiting people, in the third world and stop human rights violations and wars and destroying the environment? If getting rid of restrictions wont do it, what will? The reason I am mentioning the European Union is to try and see what we have done well, so far. Human rights, in the EU countries are well developed, arent they? And the European Union countries have not had a war for over 60 years. Not saying they are perfect, but how did we get as far, as we did?

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 13, 2007, at 5:47 AM by Mel. ]

53. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Are Borders stupid?

Yes, I much prefer Waterstones.

54. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

What i am really wondering is what we can do to make the world fairer? So we stop exploiting people, in the third world and stop human rights violations and wars and destroying the environment? If getting rid of restrictions wont do it, what will? The reason I am mentioning the European Union is to try and see what we have done well, so far. Human rights, in the EU countries are well developed, arent they? And the European Union countries have not had a war for over 60 years. Not saying they are perfect, but how did we get as far, as we did?

I need claification, please. Who are you speaking of when you say "we"? I am assuming you mean all "first world" countries (though that's a misnomer in and of itself) and not just the EU and/or the US.

Also, in saying: And the European Union countries have not had a war for over 60 years. Do you mean against each other?

55. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Human rights, in the EU countries are well developed, arent they? And the European Union countries have not had a war for over 60 years. Not saying they are perfect, but how did we get as far, as we did?

Yeah - the EU, and most of the rest of the world, did great by Rwanda by sending too few troops and turning their backs on genocide. Eliminating borders does not magically fix foreign-aid problems.

I think what you're trying to say, Mel, is that by eliminating borders we eliminate the "foreign" in foreign aid - and become one big country that must help one another to help ourselves. Again, great idea - won't happen. The world will never think alike. Even in pre-established countries - even here in Canada - there are groups trying to break free to start their own, new country.

56. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

I think what you're trying to say, Mel, is that by eliminating borders we eliminate the "foreign" in foreign aid - and become one big country that must help one another to help ourselves. Again, great idea - won't happen. The world will never think alike. Even in pre-established countries - even here in Canada - there are groups trying to break free to start their own, new country.

Do we have to be all the same, in order to take the needs of others, into consideration? Is it not just a matter of being open minded and developing better diplomatic skills?

57. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

I think what you're trying to say, Mel, is that by eliminating borders we eliminate the "foreign" in foreign aid - and become one big country that must help one another to help ourselves. Again, great idea - won't happen. The world will never think alike. Even in pre-established countries - even here in Canada - there are groups trying to break free to start their own, new country.

Do we have to be all the same, in order to take the needs of others, into consideration? Is it not just a matter of being open minded and developing better diplomatic skills?

OK, I need to clear this up:

Topic 1: Elimination of borders

Topic 2: Better, more focused foreign aid

Apples and oranges.

58. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Isadora

Quoting Mel.

What i am really wondering is what we can do to make the world fairer? So we stop exploiting people, in the third world and stop human rights violations and wars and destroying the environment? If getting rid of restrictions wont do it, what will? The reason I am mentioning the European Union is to try and see what we have done well, so far. Human rights, in the EU countries are well developed, arent they? And the European Union countries have not had a war for over 60 years. Not saying they are perfect, but how did we get as far, as we did?

I need claification, please. Who are you speaking of when you say "we"? I am assuming you mean all "first world" countries (though that's a misnomer in and of itself) and not just the EU and/or the US.

Also, in saying: And the European Union countries have not had a war for over 60 years. Do you mean against each other?

I suppose, I am talking about Citizens of first world countries. I could call them Westerners, but that probably would not be accurate, either. I mean, those who are benefiting from the exploitation of people and resources in the third world. The more I find out, the more it seems that there is hardly anything one can buy or do, without exploiting people.
We can of course buy morally, if we pay way more for products and buy fair trade etc. But we are subjected to our own economic system. We only get payed so much, for doing our jobs. And there is the race, against inflation... And even if we do buy all fair trade etc products, how many of us would be doing it. Would it be enough, to make any difference. Would we be sacrificing our money, for nothing?
yeah, I mean the countries, in the EU have not had a war, against each other, in over 60 years, or waged war on other countries. Maybe we are doing something right?

59. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

Yeah - the EU, and most of the rest of the world, did great by Rwanda by sending too few troops and turning their backs on genocide. Eliminating borders does not magically fix foreign-aid problems.

That is exactly the lack of caring I am talking about, when I say we use the world as a playground, but dont look after it.

60. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

yeah, I mean the countries, in the EU have not had a war, against each other, in over 60 years, or waged war on other countries. Maybe we are doing something right?

What countries are in Afghanistan again? Iraq?