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1. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Just had a look at some maps of the world. The countries are divided by continent.
But where Georgia is located under europe, Armenia and Azerbaidzjan are under Asia. I guess these two should be european as well.
Am I wrong?

2. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 9y

Hmm yes, that is a little inconsistent.

I think you're right that Europe is generally where they belong, though the CIA World Factbook puts them all under Asia, which is probably where we got our definition from. I think all three countries probably can be considered 'transcontinental' actually, though of course we have to pick one to place them under.

3. Posted by Degolasse (Travel Guru 823 posts) 9y

Seems to make more sense if the are all in Asia

4. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Ok, normally I'll try to listen to anyones opinion etc etc blabla. But I am so convinced that they are all european....officially they are.

5. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Quoting Degolasse

Seems to make more sense if the are all in Asia

By the way, can you tell me why?

Nice thread about this already

http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=29456

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 12, 2007, at 11:40 PM by Utrecht ]

6. Posted by ikey (Full Member 172 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

Ok, normally I'll try to listen to anyones opinion etc etc blabla. But I am so convinced that they are all european....officially they are.

but who makes it 'official', the UN, EU, the dictianary, world atlas, or is it Travellers point???

I call it Asia, but have no idea what it is officially.

7. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Quoting ikey

Quoting Utrecht

Ok, normally I'll try to listen to anyones opinion etc etc blabla. But I am so convinced that they are all european....officially they are.

but who makes it 'official', the UN, EU, the dictianary, world atlas, or is it Travellers point???

I call it Asia, but have no idea what it is officially.

Good question. If you think about natural borders, you would say Asia, because the Caucasus mountains form the border. But actually the border between Europe and Asia as far as I know is the Ural mountains and the Caspian Sea.
Actually, Georgia has been trying (mainly asking/talking etc) about European Union in the future. But of course so has Turkey, which is mainly asian as well.

http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eu.htm
This site explains things I guess!

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 12, 2007, at 11:57 PM by Utrecht ]

8. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 9y

It's really not set in stone where these countries belong as they are really considered to be transcontinental.

Perhaps the strongest argument for them to be considered European is that they are all three members of the Council of Europe. That's not the same as the European Union or European Council though and says more about their political affiliation than their geographic position.

What are others doing?

Lonely Planet considers all to be European.

As mentioned, CIA's World Factbook considers them all to be Asian.

Wikitravel considers them to be both European and Asian.

All three are considered transcontinental by Wikipedia and can be found on their Asia page. Azerbaijan and Georgia can also be found on their Europe page, but interestingly not Armenia. Of course, with wikipedia, that could change at any moment :)

Basically, there are no easy answers with these countries (add Turkey to that list as well). It is not currently practical for us to list them under both Europe and Asia, which would probably be the most ideal, so a choice has had to be made. We could change Azerbaijan and Armenia to be considered European, but that would still not be accurate, though perhaps it might be more accurate.

9. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

It's really not set in stone where these countries belong as they are really considered to be transcontinental.

Perhaps the strongest argument for them to be considered European is that they are all three members of the Council of Europe. That's not the same as the European Union or European Council though and says more about their political affiliation than their geographic position.

What are others doing?

Lonely Planet considers all to be European.

As mentioned, CIA's World Factbook considers them all to be Asian.

Wikitravel considers them to be both European and Asian.

All three are considered transcontinental by Wikipedia and can be found on their Asia page. Azerbaijan and Georgia can also be found on their Europe page, but interestingly not Armenia. Of course, with wikipedia, that could change at any moment :)

Basically, there are no easy answers with these countries (add Turkey to that list as well). It is not currently practical for us to list them under both Europe and Asia, which would probably be the most ideal, so a choice has had to be made. We could change Azerbaijan and Armenia to be considered European, but that would still not be accurate, though perhaps it might be more accurate.

I can live with that ;)
Actually, what is transcontinental? If it means that a country is located in two continents, then Turkey is transcontinental. Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaidzjan not really are they? And Egypt?
Interesting interesting:)

10. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

Actually, what is transcontinental? If it means that a country is located in two continents, then Turkey is transcontinental. Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaidzjan not really are they? And Egypt?
Interesting interesting:)

Yep, that's it. Countries like Turkey, Russia, Egypt, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan can be considered transcontinental.