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1. Posted by BookWorm3 (Budding Member 8 posts) 9y

Okay, so I was reading two of the threads and suddenly came up with a question.

What religion (if any) are you and why?

2. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

I dont know how people from other nationalities feel about this question about religion - but as lm from Northern Ireland this question is usually steered away from like the plague! Years of historical problems caused this!

Im from a christain background and my parents and sisters are church goers - me lm more christenings, weddings and funerals. Im not really a religious person as such - agnostic (like to hedge my bets!)

Im fasinated by other religions and their rituals, Judisim, Hindu or Buddism!

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 19, 2007, at 1:20 PM by Purdy ]

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

Originally catholic, but nowadays I prefer to be atheist...I believe there is something more than life in this world, but it's not something that fits in a specific religion.

4. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Everyone has a religion if you go by the technical definition. Even atheism is a religion of sorts. I'd call myself an agnostic in that I think anything is possible - there could be or not be a god(s).

All religions and spirituality interest me, I read about all of them. You can really see the basic qualities are the same with all of them.

5. Posted by BambooSong (Budding Member 2 posts) 9y

Hi friends, I have a paper to write and need to "interview" some of you. If you can, I'd love to hear your responses to these 10 questions. Thank you!

Here are the questions:
1. What is the ultimate power in the universe - Who's in charge?

2. How would you describe God?

3. If not God, do you believe is spiritual things?

4. Where did the world, our universe come from?

5. What is a human being? What is the nature of humanity?

6. What happens when a person dies? Why do you believe that?

7. What is the basis of human knowledge, our capacity to know. How can we know anything?

8. How do we know what is right and wrong? Ethics, morals, values - are they important? Are we the maker of these values?

9. What is the meaning of human history, or the meaning of life.

10. Do we have a purpose? Why are we here?

Thank you soo much for your help! If you are curious, I'll answer my own questions, after I hear from a few of you!
Lori

6. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I am an Atheïst, as you might have guessed (or might have read before.)

Why is pretty simple I don't believe in a God (or gods for that matter). For this I have a couple of reasons.

1. As evolution is a proven fact, it would be very weird, that there is a God first, and than a creation. It would be much more likely, that a God could evolve from a long history of evolution than the other way round. But if it did (or will happen), it would most likely be a species, an therefor being disqualified as a god.

2. A lot of religions solve mistery of the present (and the past) as being a creation of a god, thereby telling you that God created everything. In this way of thinking, there is one big flaw, because it would not solve the question of time before time. If before time, there was a God, who/what created God? (Some religions will say God was always there, other say God created itself).

I think that a God (any God) is a creation made by humans, because it can make life easier. (an explanation for everything that is not normal), and religion can be a way to create unity within a group.

There are lessons that can be learned from religions, but accepting a religion as truth is dangerous (and in my eyes even stupid).

That said, there are also lessons that can be learned from other books, people, movements etc.

7. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

1. What is the ultimate power in the universe - Who's in charge?
nobody
2. How would you describe God?
I can't, I don't believe in a god. But if I have to decribe what I don't believe in, than I would say: That a God (or more than one) is a creation for everything that is not normal (positive or negative), that can have an impact on a society. Not normal, you can read as the things, that have not been explained. (if they did it would be normal). In earlier times, you would pray for a good harvest, now we now that, that will depend on the weather, and not on a rain-god, and a sunshine-god. (although, there is still a christian day, to pray for good crops)
3. If not God, do you believe is spiritual things?
depends on how you discribe spiritual. I believe that there can be things, you could decribe as spiritual, but they have nothing to do, with the excistance of God.
4. Where did the world, our universe come from?
that the 64.000 dollar question, that can't be answered at this moment, we know what happened just a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of a second after the big-bang, but not what was before.
5. What is a human being? What is the nature of humanity?
a mamal
6. What happens when a person dies? Why do you believe that?
at least the body dies. I am not quite sure about the 'soul'. I don't believe in a heaven or something, but I might consider the possiblity, that humans (and therefor other species), can excist of two parts. I think the remaining part can't live without the other, so it will die shortly after the body did.
7. What is the basis of human knowledge, our capacity to know. How can we know anything?
one part DNA, and most part learning (and a large part of that is by copying behaviour of others)
8. How do we know what is right and wrong? Ethics, morals, values - are they important? Are we the maker of these values?
we learn how we should behave. If you look at ancient humans, you will find a different moral standard. We addapt our morals, to the time we live in. We even addapt it according to the situation
9. What is the meaning of human history, or the meaning of life.
There isn't. I still can't figure out, why people think there should be a meaning of life.
10. Do we have a purpose? Why are we here?
we were once part of the food-chain, but the human species were lucky to be able to be a highly flexible species, with the capacity to learn fast (well in fast is relative in history). And a couple of times, we have been very lucky, to not be included on the same list, as the dinosaurs, but most likely one day we will.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 19, 2007, at 5:18 PM by Herr Bert ]

8. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Herr Bert, I just wanted to clear something up

There is a difference between
"I don't believe in god(s)"
and
"I believe there is no god(s)"

Which would you fall under? Atheism deals with statement #2. Just curious because I hear a lot of atheists say they "don't believe in god" when that's not exactly right.

Your parts are interesting, I don't think it's quite that easy though - what if a god or gods started life on this planet and then let it be, or perhaps directed it in some way? I find evolution really interesting. True evolution is proven, but the proof of one thing doesn't necessarily mean the disproof of another.

As soon as science tries to look into the past, let's stick with evolution for example; any theories about the origin of life are just that - theories. Science is no more grounded than religion.

A person believing that the universe started by coincidence with a "big bang", then by chance life started on this planet, and by chance ectoplasm turned into humans that is as faith based as any religion.

I think I went off on a tangent... :p I just like talking about it and seeing what other people have to say.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 19, 2007, at 7:22 PM by Brendan ]

9. Posted by BookWorm3 (Budding Member 8 posts) 9y

Hmm.. I come from a christian family, most of which are baptist or luthern on my Mom's side and Catholic on my Dad's side, though I believe they are Roman Catholic due to their original culture and what not but don't quote me on that one because I could be wrong.

As far as it goes for me, well that's a tough one to answer without it sounding odd O.o. So, let's see if I can actually sum it all up . I've studied a couple different religions here and there through out my life time but I never actually stuck it full out with any of them because to be perfectly honest I never believed in them 100%, etc. So, in a sense, my beliefs may have derived from partial beliefs of other religions or they may just be mine on my own without religion in mind.

I'm not sure how this world came to be, nor do I choose to try getting the answer to something like that. Instead I choose to learn about and from the past as well as the present while living in the present and preparing for the future at the same time. I believe that we are all connected, humans, animals, plants, trees, rocks, etc...everything. We all play our own part and live life as we choose or as we were taught, and for some (whether it be a person, animal, or not) they simply just live. I don't worship a higher power or anything of the like. I guess you could say I'm more of a spiritual person, not religious.

And to any of those who want to kill me for the length of my post, lol, I do apologize. -ducks and hides- ^.^

10. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

To answer Brendan's questions:

I don't believe in the Christian God, or in any other Gods (Allah, Zeus you name it, I don't believe in it).

I agree with you that a lot of Atheïsts say, they don't believe in God (the Christian one), and go on by telling you, they believe there is something. That is a weird point of view, but if they believe that. it's fine by me, but I guess they should ask themselves, if they are really atheïsts, or that they don't agree with the way the Christian Church is run, or if they are disappointed in religion in another way.

Your point that God or Gods, started life and then let it be, is one of the theories of the Inteligent Design (ID) movement. Which I think is more out to secure that God has a place in evolution, and therefor securing their own status. Personaly I believe those people are not to be taking too serious, as they do not do their work in a good way. A good scientist is able to set aside his own believes, and does the job objectively. The ID-theory is a massive step back from the original religion, and they will be taking steps back every time, something is proven wrong in their theory. All they come up with is a theory, but no evidence to back it up (unlike science, which does back up a theory, with evidence), but still claim that this is the truth.

Science is always starting with a theory, and then tries to prove this theory. I strongly disagree with you, if you want to say, that science is a theory (or a religion).Science has been able to prove a lot of theories during the years. (incl. big-band, and evolution). This universe did start with a big-bang, there is overwhelming proof for that.The big-bang does exclude the Genesis story, as it has been written down centuries ago.

Don't forget that science is nothing more, than an attempt to find answers to questions. There by not starting at a point were there are already answers (like in a religion), but starting with a blanc slate and trying to confirm theories. Some theories are confirmed, other will remain theories, and most of the theories will be discarded, but will have let to new understandings.

The theory of relativity (einstein's E =mc2), is still a theory, but one that seems to work in a lot of ways. But it might turn out, that Einstein was a the right track, but didn't quite make it.

Yes evolution happens by chance, as did the creation of life on earth. (and maybe the universe is there because of a freak incident.) You can compare it with winning the lottery. It is only the winner, who will ask him/herself the question if he was lucky or if he received help from a god. It is highly likely, that if another species, would had become the dominant species on this planet, they would be asking themselves the exact same questions.