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11. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

So many people claim that prison is like hotel living - but how true is that really? No freedom, few rights, cramped living, gangs, fights, rapes... it doesn't sound appealing to me. I agree that prisoners shouldn't get preferrental treatment, but sometimes an education and counselling and doing something productive with your time can help rehabilitate petty criminals.

It is the case in the Netherlands. Here are no gangbangs in prison. taxpayer is taking care for the prisoners very well (its also very clean without rats and cockroaches). And I also compared that to a prison in Thailand or Marocco where 10 people are cramped in 6 square metre. Prison in the netherlands is the heaven compared to Marocco, believe me, I love it here in my cell;).

12. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting Mel.

Quoting wouterrr

And the prisons here, believe me, 5 star hotels

So u do your crimes here, in Europe then Wouter? Tell me more about what the prison conditions are like here, because I have never been in one?;)

Mel

They have TV, radio, computer. They receive mail. They get good food. they just have a nice place to live (but no key ofcourse). They can read or write a good book or do some exercise (they have all the time, they are totally relaxed when they get free). They have care 24/7 by the European taxpayer. They have internet, I am on it right now. why do u think I post this much?

Are u sure they have internet? Would they be able to organise crimes, while in prison, if they have internet?

13. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

If they can't be rehabilitated, then what? Serious question.

Then, they stay in prison, where they cant harm people, in society?

14. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

If they can't be rehabilitated, then what? Serious question.

Then, they stay in prison, where they cant harm people, in society?

Yes - most definitely. But how do we imprison them? Away from the general population? With no distractions whatsoever - no books, TV, Internet, education, dessert, phone calls, visits? Other than length of time, should their imprisonment differ from that of petty criminals - and, if so, how?

15. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

If they can't be rehabilitated, then what? Serious question.

Then, they stay in prison, where they cant harm people, in society?

Sure they stay in prison but who pays the bill? Im not advocating the death penalty (lm not sure where l stand on that to be honest havent read enough on the pros and cons to have a view point) . Or what about the UK where judges have been instructed to only jail the most serious offenders cos there is so much over crowding in our prisons.

What is the alternative? Re-habilitation? Does a leopard really change its spots? I know that some are genuine and want to lead a normal life but is this not the minority?

Interesting thread!

16. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Purdy

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

If they can't be rehabilitated, then what? Serious question.

Then, they stay in prison, where they cant harm people, in society?

Sure they stay in prison but who pays the bill?

Purdy
It costs a lot of money to keep somebody on death row, and then execute them, after a number of appeals.
I have been told that it does not cost more, than keeping them in prison, for life. But I have not checked the costs, so am not certain.
Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 21, 2007, at 11:50 AM by Mel. ]

17. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

It still doesnt answer the question who pays - the tax payer thats who - so if you are a victim of a crime of what ever level of severity and a taxpayer you are paying for the criminal to be incarcerated at her majesties pleasure (if in UK for eg).

I dont have an alternative and l agree the cost of death row prisoners is another strain on government coffers, but l do know there are so many other deserving cases that the money could be spent on, yet that will not keep citizens safe from offenders.

Like l said its an interesting thread - think l will subscribe to this one!

18. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Don't think prisoners have internet. I made that up to make my point. Mel was right. If a prisoner would have internet access it could continue with criminal activity.

19. Posted by Ahila (Inactive 1529 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

So many people claim that prison is like hotel living - but how true is that really? No freedom, few rights, cramped living, gangs, fights, rapes... it doesn't sound appealing to me. I agree that prisoners shouldn't get preferrental treatment, but sometimes an education and counselling and doing something productive with your time can help rehabilitate petty criminals.

As for the big guns, well - I'm undecided on that. I think the death penalty is pure hypocracy (you can't prove killing is wrong by killing someone - and rejoycing after someone is put to death is horribly evil), but is regular incarceration enough for violent criminals? Should they be isolated? Deprived of human contact and distractions like TV or Internet? If they can't be rehabilitated, then what? Serious question.

I agree with you on this, Tina. I think it is more productive to take measures such as counselling and education... it is not preferential treatment but if the society is serious about rehabilitating criminals, one can't just put people in isolation and expect them to integrate back into society upon their release. One of the innovative measures that I have read about in recent years is the famous Co-Commissioner of Police, Delhi - Kiran Bedi's meditation programme.

20. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Interesting topic,

On the main point (Saudi Arabia death penalty), it's foolish more than anything to go there to commit a crime, then when are caught plead for them to spare you.

You don't carry drugs through Singapore or you are dead, every traveller knows this, but still sometimes people are caught.

As for the general topic of capital punishment, it's archaic and I don't agree with it. Not because of "human rights" (human rights are an illusion) but because life is too sacred to throw away, and killing to stop killing is the mother of all paradoxes.