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21. Posted by Ahila (Inactive 1529 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

As for the general topic of capital punishment, it's archaic and I don't agree with it. Not because of "human rights" (human rights are an illusion) but because life is too sacred to throw away, and killing to stop killing is the mother of all paradoxes.

Just an insignificant query, Brendan: when you say that life is too sacred to throw away, aren't you speaking from the human rights platform? ;)

22. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

[quote=Purdy]It still doesnt answer the question who pays - the tax payer thats who - so if you are a victim of a crime of what ever level of severity and a taxpayer you are paying for the criminal to be incarcerated at her majesties pleasure (if in UK for eg).
[quote]

So, if it costs to keep them in either prison or be executed, u think because we are paying, we should be able to decide if a person lives or dies. UMM!!! That is a bit more power, than a lot of people should have, in my opintion.

And there is the question of how fair the legal system is. Shouldnt people who cant pay expensive legal bills, have the same justice?

And why are people doing crimes, in the first place? The majority of those executed, in the US are non white. Is something happening in society which causes black people to more often be sentenced to death, than white people?

And that is the US, where human rights are well developed
Look at an example of how it works in places which have a poor reputation for human rights
Iran
If a woman is raped, she must have 4 male witnesses, of good character. The penalty for rape is the death sentence.
But, falsly reporting a rape is an offence punishable by death.
Therefore, any woman reporting a rape, is sentenced to death, because there are never 4 witnesses.

In my opinion the death penalty should be against the human rights laws. It is a very unfair and barbaric.

23. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

(human rights are an illusion).

Huh???
I think it is important to develop basic human right rules, and then work towards having them implemented in all countries around the world. What about that is an illusion?

24. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Ahila

[quote=Brendan]Just an insignificant query, Brendan: when you say that life is too sacred to throw away, aren't you speaking from the human rights platform? ;)

He isnt, Ahila.
As far as I know, the death penalty is not against the international code of human rights. If I am wrong, point me toward wherever I can be informed, on the internet.

25. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

[quote=Purdy]It still doesnt answer the question who pays - the tax payer thats who - so if you are a victim of a crime of what ever level of severity and a taxpayer you are paying for the criminal to be incarcerated at her majesties pleasure (if in UK for eg).
[quote]

So, if it costs to keep them in either prison or be executed, u think because we are paying, we should be able to decide if a person lives or dies. UMM!!! That is a bit more power, than a lot of people should have, in my opintion.

Sorry Mel but can you tell me exactly WHERE in my last post l actually said that we should decide if a person lives or dies? You have mis quoted me TOTALLY.

If you read my previous post l said i did NOT have an opinion on the death penalty as l have not read enough on the pros or cons.

I was simply throwing questions out there. Please do not try and put words into my mouth it is offensive.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 22, 2007, at 1:04 AM by Purdy ]

26. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

[quote=Purdy]It still doesnt answer the question who pays - the tax payer thats who - so if you are a victim of a crime of what ever level of severity and a taxpayer you are paying for the criminal to be incarcerated at her majesties pleasure (if in UK for eg).
quote]

When u talk about who pays, as if who pays is an issue, it gives me the impression, that u think the tax payers should decide what their tax money is spent on. Maybe u are undecided about if this is what u think, but it is still a suggestion, comming from u.
In the case of prison or death penalty, if the tax payers are to decide, what their money is to be spent on, then they would essentially be deciding on whether a person is to live or die.

I dont think saying u are offended is very constructive. Why not explain yourself further, instead of just being offended?

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 22, 2007, at 2:15 AM by Mel. ]

27. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Again Mel - you are TOTALLY misquoting me perhaps if you do not understand what l am saying. But do not interpret me wrongly which is what you are doing.

I said nothing about the taxpayers deciding - l said it was tax payers PAYING for the incarceration. Do not put words into my mouth

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 22, 2007, at 3:26 AM by Purdy ]

28. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

The main point against Death Penalty for me is that the law is made by people, and people make mistakes. There are some very good documentaries out on that topic:

Murder on a Sunday Morning The story of a black kid accused of murder.

The Thin Blue Line Errol Morris' most famous film.

I haven't seen The Thin Blue Line yet but I've seen Murder on a Sunday morning and it really makes you think.

29. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Cheers Phil l will look out for these - give me a chance to get educated and see if l can form an opinion.

Heather

30. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Purdy

I said nothing about the taxpayers deciding - l said it was tax payers PAYING for the incarceration.

In that case, I am wondering why u mentioned the tax payers, at all.
But it does not matter. Maybe u were just making a comment, that they are paying, and it meant nothing else, at all.

Anyway, no hurry to form an opinion. I only recently formed mine. That is what discussions are for.;)

Mel