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1. Posted by ChristosV (Budding Member, 11 posts) 21 Feb '07 02:32

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Does anybody know any border crossing from Romania to Ukraine in a way to avoid Moldova. We want to go to Odessa by car and try to find a way to avoid Moldova (visas, cops, extra charges). Is there any way to cross border and Danube river from Tulcea (RO) to Izmail (UA), or a ferry or a bridge or a road? I looked at maps but no cross point indicated. Any local person has any idea?

Thanks

Christos

2. Posted by rotravel (Budding Member, 11 posts) 21 Feb '07 04:03

Hi,
according to the Internal Affairs Ministry, there are 6 border-crossing places from Romania to Ukraine.
If you want to avoid Moldova you can only cross the border in these places:
-1. HALMEU – DIACOVE
-2. SIRET – PORUBNE
-6. SIGHETU MARMATIEI – SOLOTVINO
The other places are closed for car transit and you can't cross the border unless you travel by train.If you really want to avoid Moldova, then you have a long way to go to Odessa.You cannot cross the border at Tulcea frontier.Maybe you get other tips for you travel.
Good luck and if you need any help write back.

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator, 5548 posts) 21 Feb '07 04:06

I was so interested in this question that I started some google earth practices and surfing the web.
The most useful I found was this one:

"there is NO border between ukraine and romania anywhere in the Sth east or sth west region of ukraine!!!!!
we drove from odessa all the way to reni, and we found that there is a way to avoid onbe of the moldovian borders, by taking the village roads out of bolgrad.
to do this you drive through bolgrad, and out of the town towards reni, but when you cross over the river bridge you then dont follow the reni sign, and you turn left at the sign for: vinograd dovka.
then you are now taking the village roads which takes a big loop all the way around a huge lake area, and eventually after about 40km you will arrive around the other side of the lake and then be at reni.
you will have managed to avoid going through one of the moldovian borders.
but now you will reach the border at reni, and there you will arrive at ukraine border again with moldova. this border has about 300 meters of land!!!!!!! between ukraine and romania, and is controlled by moldova.
unless you are from ukraine or a CIS country (see moldovan ministry foreign affairs website) for CIS country listing.
you will NOT be allowed to cross this 300 meters of moldovan land!!!
unles you have a $20 us dollars transit visa!!!!!
they will NOT issue you a transit visa at the border, and they will tell you that to get a transit visa you must go to kiev!!!!!!!!!"

I found no possibilities (at least not with a car) for travel between Izmail and Tulcea.

4. Posted by ChristosV (Budding Member, 11 posts) 21 Feb '07 04:58

Thank you very much dear friends,
As I supposed the only way to avoid Moldova is from the north but make the distance double and triple to Odessa and south Ukraine. So the cost is less across Moldova.
Dear Utrecht you are absolutely right and you are a real travel guru! you see my wife is from south Russia (Krasnodar) and i 've been many times traveling by car from Greece until there (i love driving long distances). Always prefer the way through Moldova but the cost for transit visas toll fee and "gifts" to local cops was high. They stop you only because you drive a car with foreign number plates. Once i drove through Turkey and Georgia but i had problems with Georgian gangs (fake policemen) start firing my car with kalashnikovs! Thanks God i survived (i had a fast car). But the route on the north turkish coast to black sea has unique beauty.
Anyway dear rotravel thanks a lot, you confirmed my doubts through official sources.

thanx again
ciao
Christos

5. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator, 5548 posts) 22 Feb '07 02:50

Were you actually allowed to cross the border in the caucasus region, between Georgia and Russia? Officially, it is not allowed for foreigners. I don't know which route you took, but every route must be dangerous. Abchazia, Svaneti, Ossetia, Tsjetsjenia.
I guess I would just try it from Romania to that 300 meter stretch and drive further nortwards if not possible. The price of driving throught Moldova can't be that high compared to the extra petrol you will need.

6. Posted by ChristosV (Budding Member, 11 posts) 22 Feb '07 03:51

Hi Utrecht!

Yes i did it was in August 2002. I followed the seaside route Batumi-Poti-Senaki-Zugdidi-Gali-Sokhumi-Leselidze (enter Russia to Sochi). They allow me to enter Georgia (the official state) without problems. The problems were during the route with unlimited military checking points. Most of them from armed gangs not official army. To leave us continue our trip we had to pay in hard currency various amounts depending on the officers mood. Fortunately we were four persons, two of us Georgian speaking their local language and all of us speaking russian. The only european union passport was mine. the others one russian and two georgian. Ofcourse they had problems with my nationality but with conversation and money everything arranged. But after Zugdidi (Abkhazia) we had this very bad experience with shotguns against us. Only broken glasses (front-rear) but we escaped thanks to speed. They runned after us for half kilometer only. I am sure they only wanted to rob and killed us. It was not our time.
As about Russians when i met them on the borders i saw them like the salvation army! They kept us there eight hours and had several interrogations! Finally the left us going home Sochi where my sister-in-law lives.
Anyway i can write you pages about this madness named russian bureaucracy and how cheap is human life in Caucasus.
Since then, never been in Georgia again. But as a location is very beautiful, plantation rivers and the mountain meets the sea, nice scenery.

That's all. Have a nice time

c u

Christos

7. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator, 5548 posts) 22 Feb '07 04:11

Actually, I have been in Georgia in 2004. Outside Abchazia and north ossetia it's really safe, no problems. Svaneti is best visited with local guides as well.
But that's a pretty shit experience. But also afterwards a bit rewarding, as you have some nice story to tell!

8. Posted by hermondo (First Time Poster, 1 posts) 3 Mar '07 05:17

Hi ChristosV!

For your information

(see http://moldovaembassy.se/consular/consular.html)

"DO YOU NEED A VISA? NEW!
The Parliament of the Republic of Moldova has adopted on 27 December 2006 the Law nr. 429-XVI regarding the abolition of the visa regime for the citizens of the Kingdom of Norway and the Republic of Iceland starting from 26th of January 2007. The aforesaid Law comes to complement the previously adopted Law nr. 151-XVI on the unilateral waiver of the visa regime from 1st of January 2007 for the citizens of the European Union members-states, USA, Canada, the Swiss Confederation and Japan. The period of stay without a visa in the Republic of Moldova for the citizens of the mentioned states cannot exceed the period of 90 days during 6 months from the first entry in the Republic of Moldova."

I travelled with my car from Norway to Odessa and then into Moldova from the south avoiding the Transdnestr area. I had no problem at the border, but I had to pay two small fees for "Cartourism" and "Ecologic". In total less than 10$ as far as I remember (I will start to keep record next summer)

I also visited Bendery inside Transdnestr and there I had to pay a fee of 8 moldavian lei for 1 day visit. (They tired to charge me with 8 EUR, but I knew it was 8 lei and I only paid that). I also drove terribly wrong driving out of Bendery against traffic (maybe signs were bad or I did not pay attention), so the police stopped me and charged me with 25 lei.

I would say that Ukraine traffic police are far worse with randomly and expensive penalties for traffic violations (speeding), and they are difficult to negotiate with. Do not forget Registration card for car in hotel, because I had to pay 250 Hrivnas outside Odessa for my mistake.

I was also stopped in the Uman area while entering the highway (exellent road by the way 110 km/h speed limit) from the west between Kiev and Odessa. The police officer told me to pay a fee for cartourism for Odessa area, but I refused to pay and asked for name and number. The police man got angry and told me to leave police car... (my bloody foreign plates are magnets for police)

I have been stopped many times for speeding and they charged me for 70-170 Hrivnas (if only someone could tell me what is legal fee for this). BUT as long as you follow speed limits they will not stop you (do not forget that cars will be flashing lights to warn you about police ahead).

Summer 2007 I will be driving through Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova. If I have energy for it I will try to write down my experiences and share it with those who might want to visit these countries by car.

Good luck!