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11. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

The honor goes the s_hoot. I was lifting on his information. I don't know so much;)

I was just considering what should be done with poachers, when I realized, that almost all information is poached, from somewhere.

12. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

Should Vatican City be part of the UN? That's an interesting question, actually. They could certainly do a whole lot of good..

Really???

13. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

Should Vatican City be part of the UN? That's an interesting question, actually. They could certainly do a whole lot of good..

Really???

yes Mel. we aren't all atheists who kick on everything religion. respect plzzzzzzz.

14. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Pardus

NO, it definitely should NOT be part of the UN. This would mean that the Pope would get involved in politics officially. It wouldn't be like any other country, it would be the pope voting on political issues which could have a big influence on the world.

That is what I was thinking. :(
And, I like the inclusion of the word, officially. ;)

15. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

DANGER! DANGER!

Out of the 191 official countries, there are only two countries that are not part of the UN, and thats if you consider Taiwain a country

Thats an interesting way of contradicting yourself, I must admit! [although I know exactly what you are saying] (although the number should probablly be 193)

except Burma?

Erm... They are UN members, but Burma (name) ceased to be in the late 80's, since when they have been Myanmar.

All countries are members

and

Out of the 191 official countries

All Countries? Official Countries? Hmmmm. Not term's that I like for assorted reasons, mostly because everybody has a different idea as to what a country is. And of course this specific question has the complication in that the general definition of "all countries" is those which are recognised by the UN. And if the UN doesn't recognise them, they won't be members of the UN, which brings us back to the top of the circle.

---must----not----go----any----further----

As anybody that's even dipped into the the System talk thread will be delighted to hear, i'll shut up here.

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 23, 2007, at 10:17 AM by Gelli ]

16. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Gelli

For what reasons would the UN not recognise a country?

And some people call it Burma. The millitary called it Myanmar, when they took over. Some people show their disapporval of the millitary dictatorship, by calling it Burma.

Mel

17. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

And some people call it Burma. The millitary called it Myanmar, when they took over. Some people show their disapporval of the millitary dictatorship, by calling it Burma.

Very true, and I also totally dissaprove of the military regiome there. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Physical country of Myanmar/Burma (or whatever else anybody may want to call it) has UN membership under it's official name of Myanmar. And as you asked why everybody except Burma wasn't a mamber, i was just pointing out that it was a member. Approving of the government/regime and it's legitimacy is not relevant to question of UN membership.

For what reasons would the UN not recognise a country?

Any number, but mostly political (or occassionally, historical) reasons on the parts of one or more member states. For example, Taiwan isn't recognised because of China's refusal to do so (which because they have a permanent veto is of significantly more relevance than if, say, Lao did not recognise Taiwan as a country and wanted to refuse it's admittance). This is even sillier in that Taiwan was recognised by the UN until 71 (i think) and China wasn't. Then they basically changed their mind, and started to recognise China instead of Taiwan [and gave China what had been Taiwans veto, and seats on commissions]. Admittedly the Taiwan/China question isn't as straight forward as most, because it doesn't actually involve a border dispute at all. Taiwan has made a number of attempts to get re-admitted, but they are normally blown out by China's veto, or sometimes, by Chinese allies.

It all comes back to that basic "what is a country", which is completely different depending upon who you ask, who they represent, and what interests they (1and /or who they represent) have. Depending on your definition, and who you choose to believe on any given debate, there are a fair number more "countries" than UN members, although most of the others are not recognised by huge numbers of other countries, and in some cases, some "countries" are only recognised by themselves, or one other country [as well, generally, as other generally unrecognized countries, as they all tend to recognise each other]

18. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Thanks Gelli

I think maybe the UN does not care what is a country and what it is called, as long as people are not slaughtering each other over it.

Mel

19. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

I myself regard a country a country if it is being independent. Actually, Taiwan is independent in almost all possible ways. I use 6 different kind of lists: independent ones, the none indepent and than 4 smaller ones which are mainly in the categories partly recognised, self declared, parts of countries who want to split etc.
For me there are 194 independent countries now Montenegro is 'officially' a new country. About 50 or so none independent (like french polynesia, greenland etc.) and than something of 25 to 30 other ones, like the paracel islands, spratly islands and aksai chin.
Of course, I did not make up everything myself. Actually, know and then I have to update my lists: I saw for example Akrotiri and ....something in Cyprus, being as british bases. Wonder why Guantanamo isn't on it yet. I didn't even here of those Cyprus british territory until yesterday. Oh well, you are never too old to learn.

This way, I use an extended list compared to the 242 here on TP. Although there must be some kind of difference (If i read wikipedia, there are numerous) but for me canary islands and french polynesia have the same status. But the canary islands aren't on TP as a seperate one. Because of distance? It's not even europe geologically.

Well, it's just my kind of dividing the world into pieces...

And Burm is my last name, so I prefer Myanmar....

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 23, 2007, at 12:24 PM by Utrecht ]

20. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

And Burm is my last name, so I prefer Myanmar....