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11. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Purdy

Wouterrr - you mis understand me - l dont care if its Al Gore or Big Bird telling us the facts about gobal warming - its the facts that lm interested in not the person informing us - its the facts that need to get through to the masses.

I am talking about Mr. Gore, not about you. Its just hypocryte. The message he takes out is perfect but its coming from the wrong person, it doesn't fit.

12. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Quoting samham

Phew - so have you noticed the global warming having an impact on what you can and can't do in your life?

No - sadly not. I fly when l travel - l admit that l know l am damaging the environment by doing it - and l dont try and make up for the damage l cause - which l know l should do. I need to drive for my job - public transport isnt feasible because of the miles l do. I know these 2 things l do are very harmful of the environment.

I recycle my waste as much as possible, l use energy saving light bulbs, as part of my job l promote renewable energy (especially that of solar power) but l know l should do more but what - lm not sure what?

13. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

I haven't seen An Inconvenient Truth yet, it looks great. Like it's been said - it would be great if Gore practiced what he preached, but at least he is bringing the awareness into the spotlight and making a large impact. Helping to make Global Warming a Global Concern. Which is more than can be said for 5,999,999,999 other people.

The two largest contributing factors of green-house gases (Sourced by U.N) are transportation and meat production. They are on par actually.

Everything we buy in our stores have huge energy costs, even the smallest little crap item you buy at the "$1 Dollar Store". You have your factory in let's say China. All of he raw materials are shipped to the factory from around the world on planes, container ships, trucks, and trains. The product is produced, packaged up and put on more ships, planes, trains, and trucks. It will travel tens of thousands of miles to end up in some land-fill in 6 weeks.

A huge help would be buying as much as you possibly can locally. Buy food only from your state or province (that would cut out things like Bananas for most of the world). Buy clothes made by people in the area, buy used cars instead of new, etc.

The second part is meat production. The amount of pollution created by raising animals for slaughter is on par with the scenario above. Water pollution, air pollution, etc.

The solution is again the same as above. Instead of buying discount "Meat" at your local Multi-national Mega Mart Chain, go to a local farm and order directly from the farmer. Better still, go hunt your own food. Better still, cut down your meat intake to once or twice a week instead of every meal. And even better still cut out meat. (This is including Fish).

14. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting Purdy

I watched Al Gores "An Inconvenient Truth" recently and that really made me sit up and take note - glacier changes (ie shrinking) are taking place at a rapid pace - and it is within my life time

haha Al Gore.... He has a huge house and he uses a lot of electricity. Actualy 20 times more then normal. Al gore is fake!!! This is the source

Wouterr, in this age of corporate sponsored anti-environmentalism, it would be wise to question the sources (and motivation) of such reports. The "Tennessee Centre for Policy Research" which released this information about Gore has very traceable roots right back to, guess who... Exxon Mobil

Plus, Gore uses green electricity, so how is that even a problem? His bills are higher because he pays a 50% premium for clean electricity. How is that hypocritical? Seems like he's walking the walk to me.

As for the original question, yes I consider it to be real. I don't think there is any serious scientist that doesn't. The only voices of skepticism are usually traced back to oil companies it seems and are given undue prominence in the media. They are like the tobacco companies denying that smoking causes lung cancer. In fact, I was watching a doco the other night that claimed Exxon are using the same PR company that tobacco companies used :)

15. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

Plus, Gore uses green electricity, so how is that even a problem? His bills are higher because he pays a 50% premium for clean electricity. How is that hypocritical? Seems like he's walking the walk to me.

I only say what comes to me, Peter. That is the information I got on the news in the netherlands. Apparantly you got more information. I will look it up...

16. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting Peter

Plus, Gore uses green electricity, so how is that even a problem? His bills are higher because he pays a 50% premium for clean electricity. How is that hypocritical? Seems like he's walking the walk to me.

I only say what comes to me, Peter. That is the information I got on the news in the netherlands. Apparantly you got more information. I will look it up...

Actually, it says it in the article that you linked as well

17. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

Actually, it says it in the article that you linked as well

I had my opinion about Gore too soon, I realize now .Its investigated by the Tenessee center for policy research. They don't believe in the greenhouse effect, which is strange. Al Gore does indeed uses a lot of sustainable energy sources such as solar energy.

18. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

There is an ice age every 26.000 years or so, last one about 12.500 years ago. The next 100-200 years the temperature on earth is rising and rising, after that is will become cooler again. It has been for a long time this way.
But temperatures are rising much much faster nowadays than in the past. The scientific proof which was in the news a couple of weeks ago that people are responsible for this, can be a conclusion, but I still would say it's in doubt.
I've read that during the time of the vikings moving towards greenland and newfoundland, they called it vinland (wine land), because there were actually grapes for wine over there! Temperatures were 5-7 degrees (celcius) warmer than now. Temperatures in the pacific waters were 1-2 degrees warmer in the time polynesian people conquered several islands, like eater island.
Actually, the thickness of ice is larger in several parts like the sea between scandinavia and the north pole, comparing 2007 with 2006 for example.
There are so many theories etc. that it still is very hard to tell people's influence. I am not saying this is not the case, but I am not the person who just listens to one theory either.

19. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

I don't know what to believe. I remember as a kid everyone was in a similar panic about the coming of the ice age. Now we have some multimillionaire guy from the States, with his polished body language and his nice suits, telling us the opposite. It reminds me of the same spivs that were telling us about Iraq's "WMDs" and the need to "take them out".

20. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Good point James, I've been having similar thoughts... Are we soon going to have a "War on Global Warming"? We turn everything into a battle. I think the fears of a coming Ice Age were just misguided reactions to the same findings we have today. 30 years ago people thought increasing CO2 meant a rapid cooling... so they were on the right track. Just off the mark.

I don't think the WMD fa├žade has much to do with this, by that I mean 90% of the world knew Iraq didn't have WMD. But it isn't the 90% that matter.

I don't think many people are too concerned with Climate Change because the majority of people say "technology will save us". That the human species will thrive with the help of exo-suites or bio-domes holding the last couple million people doesn't sound like much of a future.

The mass-extinctions of the past (+95% life gone) were the result of food-chain collapse. If the temperature changes are too drastic for life to adapt and evolve then life ends (not completely, but we can't live off of fungi, bacteria, and cockroaches).