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11. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting Elnaz

Hello
I know that there are many propaganda against of Iran.
I request you , please speak about these propaganda that there is in your contry.(every thing , i will not sad)
Thanks in advanced
Regards

Propaganda is an interesting choice of words?
Let's start with Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi,Iranian Shia cleric and politician.
Mesbah Yazdi espouses complete isolation from the West and has approved martyrdom operations as obligatory for the faithful in defence of Islam. Just a nice name for murder.
Ex-president Khatami once called him the theoretician of violence, and he is supposed to be a man of the cloth (or whatever the moslem equivalent is).
In December 2006, he was elected to the Assembly of Experts, the group of Ayatollahs responsible for nominating a replacement for Ayatollah Khamenei, the Supreme Leader.
The Assembly of Experts make Torquemada (yes, he of the Spanish Inquisition) look like a founding member of Amnesty International.
Then we have regular scenes of rioting in the streets of Tehran, with mobs screaming 'Death to the Great Satan (US), death to the Little Satan (Israel). And they presumably mean it!!!
Ayatollah Khomeini issuing a murder decree on Salma Rushdie.
Teenage Basij used as cannon-fodder and mine-clearing martydom during the Iran-Iraq war.
Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has had a religious police (Mutaween)that punishes offenders relentlessly.
(From BBC today) All but three of the 33 Iranian women activists arrested earlier in the week in Tehran have been freed.
They have been warned not to take part in any protests to mark International Women's Day on Thursday.
Women activists in Iran say they have been subject to increasing intimidation since they launched a campaign to collect 1m signatures on a petition to change discriminatory laws like polygamy and child custody, which normally goes to the father in Iran.

12. Posted by Elnaz (Inactive 296 posts) 9y

Mr Niels
when i read your speech , i have been very sad , because i love my religion
and i am very sorry that , why people of another religion afraid of Islam?
Isalam is a peace religion, why people afraid of muslims?
Thanks

Mr James
Thanks that you speak too, because ,your speech was interesting for me.
ok, If Iran is "The Great Satan", so Iranian and me are "The Small Satan".
Is it true?
you think ,i am "The Small Satan"?
Thanks

Mr Michael(mikeyBoab)
was not funny your question?
if you wanted that i smile , sorry you could not .
i will not tell to you thanks at all .

13. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Elnaz

This is an extremely difficult question for many Westerners to answer because of the events of the last 5 to 10 years.

The major news organizations in the West do not (generally, though there are some cases) portray Islam as a free-thinking, peaceful religion. Now, this is partly justified in the fact that there has been a great deal of violence perpetrated by Muslims on Westerners in the last 10 years. You don't hear news stories of radical Christian groups moving around the world killing thousands of Muslims, about sleeper cells of Christians planting expolsives at Muslim schools and markets.....this is not happening (to the best of my knowledge).

Muslims appear to be causing the majority of violence in the world, whether against Christians, Jews, or other Muslims. That is what we see in the news. Sure, one can argue that the West has unjustifiably attacked Iraq - I would agree. But who is now causing the majority of Iraqi deaths? Muslims. And some of the Muslims are coming (it is believed) from Iran. Iran has been accused (but not convicted) of supplying weaponry to the insurgents in Iraq. We don't know if it is true.

I realize that there are so many political dimensions to this question that it could go on for months. I don't want to turn this into a political dialogue, because nobody wins that sort of arguement.

Islam is certainly a peaceful religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Paganism, etc. The issue lies in the fact that people are killing each other in the NAME of religion, which violates the tenets of a peaceful religion.

Another issue is that many Muslims seem to follow the Koran as the absolute final word on life as many Christians follow the Bible. These books were written in a time long past. This is the 21st century. Sure, certain ideas are timeless, like "Be Kind" and "Do not steal". But what about ideas such as "A woman must be subservient to a man", or "The penalty for stealing is amputation of the hands". Are people realistically supposed to follow this dogma in a modern society, where commerce is universal rather than isolated to a village, where we know that ergot poisoning (infected wheat) caused insanity in some women in Salem Massachusetts in the 1700s (they were burned at the stake for being withches), where we know that a headache is not Satan poking an invisible pitchfork into your skull?

I find it difficult to believe that people can make the connection from the ancient past to the modern world without altering the subject slightly.

So, to finally answer your question.......uh, what was the question? Ah, right, Iran. Yes, my country is fed mostly propaganda about your government. Whether any of it is true or not, I don't know. I believe Wotthefigh about the mullahs. They do seem to be living well in the past. But, maybe there is another side to the story. Perhaps they are jockying for power in the Middle East. When the dust of Iraq settles, maybe they will want to have the power over the people. I honestly don't know. I do know that anyone who espouses violence against another person based on their religion is not a religious person, but a hypocrite coward who hides behind the past to further his/her own ends.

I do believe that NOT all Iranians are alike. Are all Americans alike? Thankfully, no. Aussies? No. Canadians? Uh....still no. Indians? Russians? Bolivians? Sudanese? No, no, no, no.

There is hope for any people that can see through the hypocrisy and deception (and even the good) of their leaders.

Beerman wanders off to find his copy of "We Will All Go Together When We Go".

14. Posted by garry moll (Budding Member 348 posts) 9y

Elnaz......guess this question has opened a can of worms.
now im no brain surgen, but still have simple thoughts.
im going to state the obvious to me, speak from the heart, and add slightly to your question if i can.

1. dont tar everyone with the same brush.....that includes all.

2. why does religion cause so much unrest ?????
all through the ages it has done ????? but why ?

3. people dont have to go to church/mosque or what ever to know what is right or wrong or to be a good person.

now i belive in god, in some sort of way, but dont go to church, or mosque, i treat others like i would want to be treat, and hope im a good person, but would never ever dream of causing harm or damage in the name of religion. so why do it ?
and that statement goes to all.
well if it makes sense.

15. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Quoting Elnaz

I know that there are many propaganda against of Iran.

Perhaps it would also be worth asking: how do you know there is so much propaganda against Iran? Who did you hear this from? Your president? He doesn't seem to like anyone else's opinion, so it's no surprise he would call other people's comments 'propaganda'.

To answer the question about what my understanding is of Iran:

- Generally the citizens are peaceful and intelligent.
- The leader is twisted. Intelligent, but only serving himself and not his country.
- The government refuses to listen to the UN regarding nuclear sanctions. (not that "western" countries pay much attention to them either)

Those are my limited views of the country. Some other people are much more inclined to believe our politicians and might have harsher views as a result. I refuse to take the nuclear weapons scare tactics governments are using seriously. We've heard that one before ... ehem ...

16. Posted by Elnaz (Inactive 296 posts) 9y

Mr Cobban
I read your speech in this thread and another thread, you know iranian important persons
you know iranian author,also, that's great ,but i am not agree with all of your speech.

Thanks Mr Kalav
I am not agree with all of your speech especially your the second paragraph.
I think it is not true at all.

Mr Peter
it is very interesting for me , you speak in this way but another person tell
Iran is known as "The Great Satan" in Australia.

Again thanks of all you that answered my question .
I hate of war and i am sure people on the world hate of war too
It is very obvious that important persons(person with great social and political influence ) will not damage of wars.
but usual person will kill and will damage of wars.

Regards

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 8, 2007, at 11:30 PM by Elnaz ]

17. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting garry moll

2. why does religion cause so much unrest ?????
all through the ages it has done ????? but why ?

That is often a thought, which crosses my mind.

18. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Elnaz

Mr Cobban
I read your speech in this thread and another thread, you know iranian important persons
you know iranian author,also, that's great ,but i am not agree with all of your speech.

Who is Mr Cobban?
I looked in all the profiles, of people on this thread, an cant see that name.

19. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Elnaz

It is very obvious that important persons(person with great social and political influence ) will not damage of wars.
but usual person will kill and will damage of wars.
Regards

How true that is!!!!!;)

20. Posted by Elnaz (Inactive 296 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Elnaz

Mr Cobban
I read your speech in this thread and another thread, you know iranian important persons
you know iranian author,also, that's great ,but i am not agree with all of your speech.

Who is Mr Cobban?
I looked in all the profiles, of people on this thread, an cant see that name.

Dear Mel
Mr Cobban is wotthefiqh

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