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31. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

I would find the fact that a fellow Dutchman can be ritually slaughtered in an Amsterdam street with a death threat for Hirsi Ali thrust into his chest much more freaky than someone posting his opinion about it.
Perhaps that just me.

El Leg

My friend. I would consider for myself what issues you have with islam. Do you hate it or reject it?

I suggest you reread my posts 11, 21 and 24.
If you accept religious murder as a natural act in the Netherlands then so be it.
If you accept moslems demonstrating in the streets of Europe baying for the heads of Danish cartoonists then so be it. The photo of one of the demonstrators, his face in a rictus of mindless hate, with the poster 'Europe Is The Cancer, Islam Is The Answer' held behind him was very illuminating. Shall I send you the URL as a reminder?
If you accept an anonymous moslem, face hidden, standing on the steps of a cathedral in London (St Paul's I think) holding up a placard stating 'Islam Will Destroy Rome' after the Pope's theological speech in Germany then so be it. Shall I send you the URL as a reminder?
The question of hatred or rejection of Islam in that context is a nonsense.
If an Egyptian Copt stood outside Al-Azhar mosque in Cairo holding up a placard stating 'The Prophet Mohammed Was a Fake', he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting out alive, and the Coptic community would be Guess???
And you ask me if I have issues with Islam?
If you have rational counterpoints to any facts and opinions I have expressed in my posts in this thread , please do so.

32. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

You are talking about the hard-liners wotthefiq. They are not representing the real islam. The are abusing islam for their personal goals which is power and money. I dare to say that 99% of the muslims are not supporting the hard-liners. Read a book about islam before spreading your thoughts based on media crap.

If I would held a board in the air on the dam in Amsterdam with the text "jesus is crap and maria is not a virgin".....would people not look weird at me either. I wouldn't be chased but that is a pure difference of culture and not religion.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 10, 2007, at 9:24 AM by wouterrr ]

33. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

You are talking about the hard-liners wotthefiq. They are not representing the real islam. The are abusing islam for their personal goals which is power and money. I dare to say that 99% of the muslims are not supporting the hard-liners. Read a book about islam before spreading your thoughts based on media crap.

If I would held a board in the air on the dam in Amsterdam with the text "jesus is crap and maria is not a virgin".....would people not look weird at me either. I wouldn't be chased but that is a pure difference of culture and not religion.

How much did Bouqdida? get for killing van Gogh? Coupla groat maybe.
Answer the questions in my last post.
Van Gogh, Danish cartoonists, the reaction to the Pope's speech!!!
Define REAL Islam in a few paragraphs without the 'Peace and Tolerance' nonsense.

P.S. If it's the act of the hardliners, why does Europe allow them to live in Western democratic societies???

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 10, 2007, at 9:36 AM by wotthefiqh ]

34. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting Elnaz

Hello Mr cobban
Excuse me, this post of you showed you are not logical man, sorry for you .
you just hear news , but dont think that which is true and which is not true?
your post showed , anyway you want to oppose to me . please when you speak dont insult to people.

Mr Kalav
I thought it is your opinion , sorry, i had a mistake.
but what do you think about it?

Regards

Great reply. Totally meaningless and ignored every fact and opinion I made in 2 posts. Why doesn't that surprise me!!!

you want to oppose to me
Interesting choice of words again (propaganda in your initial post and oppose in this one?)
How can I oppose what hasn't been expressed?? Illogical!!!
Am I now in a Shiite database as an 'Enemy of Islam' as I probably am in the Sunni database 'Enemy Of Islam" after my first post in thread 'Islam And Terrorism' with cickusang's implied threat of violence?
please when you speak dont insult to people
Expressing an opinion which is open to counter-argument and, if found valid, is changeable is quite different to nutter ayatollahs preaching hatred and violence towards the democratic world.
Do I insult humanity by questions, or should I murder humanity by fatwas??
I suggest you either address my points in posts 11 and 21 or be viewed as an Islamist propagandist.
As we say in Australia, either you Put Up or Shut Up.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 10, 2007, at 11:20 AM by wotthefiqh ]

35. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting wotthefiqh

How much did Bouqdida? get for killing van Gogh? Coupla groat maybe.
Answer the questions in my last post.
Van Gogh, Danish cartoonists, the reaction to the Pope's speech!!!
Define REAL Islam in a few paragraphs without the 'Peace and Tolerance' nonsense.

P.S. If it's the act of the hardliners, why does Europe allow them to live in Western democratic societies???

Real islam respects other religions including Christianity and the Jewish. Hard=liners don't respect other religions because they consider all that is not Islam is a pig that should be killed.

There is for instance a muslim group with very deviated opionions from the moderate islam (I thought it was safafism or something). The guys that flew that boeing into the WTC was of that group. Their mission is to kill all non-believers (that means all non-muslims). That is a very small group. They are the badguys and they spoil it for all the moderates (I dare to say 99%). And you are a little short-visioned to not see that.

The western societeis don't want hard-liners in their countries. Extreme right politics in the Netherlands get more and more space these days. But there should be a lot of evidence before you can say that someone is a hard-liner. It takes time.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 10, 2007, at 12:02 PM by wouterrr ]

36. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Here in Australia, Iran is known as "The Great Satan".

Is that wrong, and if so, why?

Apologies Elnaz, it was the old leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who called the USA the "Great Satan".

Given your logic, the people of the US are "little Satans".

I guess I have my propaganda mixed up.

37. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

The new 'Sword and Sandals' epic 300 from Hollywood has caused a storm in Iran.

The movie is a retelling of the ancient Battle of Thermopylae in which King Leonidas and 300 Spartans fought to the death against Xerxes and his massive Persian army.
Javad Shamqadri, a cultural advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said it was "plundering Iran's historic past and insulting this civilization".
He branded the film "psychological warfare" against Tehran and its people.
That should add another 100 million USD to the box-office receipts.

Has anyone seen it yet?

38. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Havent seen it.
But like a lot of other things, it is probably not worth the attention it is getting.;)

Mel

39. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Havent seen it.
But like a lot of other things, it is probably not worth the attention it is getting.;)

Mel

true;)

40. Posted by foxxy (Budding Member 26 posts) 9y

Dead Right you are,

Nuclear arms are spread right from the living room floor. Behingd the fridge, the toilets and dont forget his lawn is the master launcher. If I were you I would not even mention to you. The guy's boots are radiuoactive too and dead right somewhere in the TORA BORA!!
Ps- Dont tell anyone

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