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1. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Hi all travellers!
Indeed I've thought on it a lot if it's ok to share with you in a travel forum, although the topic is off-topic. Then I've decided to try. If it doesn't fit this forum, you're welcome to delete it.

I'm from Turkey and I'm living in Denmark this year because of my academic research. As some of you know before, there's a terrorist organization in Turkey called PKK or in last years KONGRA GEL, KADEK etc.

Although the metropols of Turkey as safe as London, safer than Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Baghdat; still there's a thread coming from PKK. However, unfortuately, some governments, especially in Europe, may see them as freedom fighters, gerillas; instead of terrorists.

Some of them had supported, some of them still continue to support by financially, politically etc PKK. After I saw the situation in Europe, I've decided to show to the world public the real face of this organization and made a video about it. In first 2 days it has got 6500 hit. I think the reason is there weren't any video which tells these facts in English and in very brief before.

If you ever heard what is Kurdistan, Kurdish people, PKK, terror, Abdullah Öcalan etc. before, and if you wonder what all these mean from the Turkish aspect; please see and comment my video.

Thank you in advance. I'm ready to answer your related questions as well.

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[ Edit: Removed website address. ]

2. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Although the metropols of Turkey as safe as London, safer than Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Baghdat; still there's a thread coming from PKK. However, unfortuately, some governments, especially in Europe, may see them as freedom fighters, gerillas; instead of terrorists.

Some of them had supported, some of them still continue to support by financially, politically etc PKK. After I saw the situation in Europe,

Hello Stuthkfl

Which governments support them financially, and politically?
In what ways, do they support them, politically?
And which countries, in Europe, do not consider the PKK, to be terrorists?
I presume these countries of Europe, who support the PKK are non EU countries.
Would u please give more detail?;)

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 19, 2007, at 3:39 AM by Mel. ]

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Maybe they are terrorists, but this thread is basically some negative information about the PKK, not considering the aspects which have triggered PKK.
Maybe the other side of the story should be enlightned as well!
And personally I think, apart from PKK, there are some aspects in Turkish society/politics which are not so well either.
Like just ingoring/denying the fact that killing the armenians during the 1915-1922 era was genocide. Or the fact that any critic on the politics is not accepted. Why???

4. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Sure Mel,
Today Denmark is allowing Roj TV to broadcast and they're provoking the Kurdish people living in south east of Turkey to conflict with laws and security forces.

Let you imagine that a Turkish Satellite TV broadcasting form Istanbul is organizing the Turkish immigrants in Europe to set up a new country in the middle of Europe.

Or can a TV channel broadcasting from Denmark provoke the Muslims against US and UK or describe Hamas as a governmental social party?

The situation is exactly the same, no need to explain as freedom of speech.

In some years before Med TV was broadcasting from Belgium under same circumstances. Fortunately Belgium has shut it down. However, today, Belgium and France don'T want to give some terrorists really important for Turkey who has been catched in that countries. Due to that, Turkey can't question them and get relevant information to fight against terror.

US and Iraq government are the biggest supporters of it today. You'll see on the video Abdullah Ocalan, the alleged leadership of PKK and Talabani, current President of Iraq on the same table. Moreover ıt has been prooved that many American soldiers has supplied logistic help to PKK during 1st Gulf War.

Today, neither US nor Iraq is allowing Turkey to over-boundary operation against PKK camps in Northern Iraq. They don't shut those camps down too.

US is thinking that it's ok to come from thousands miles away and give freedom(!) to Iraq but it's indecent to keep it's own security from PKK for Turkey.

Continue to list, Italy and Syria has regret to give Abdullah Öcalan to Turkey. Greek Cyprus has given a Cyprus passport to Abdullah Öcalan. You'll see many Greek Parliments and Generals with Abdullah Öcalan on the pictures in that video too. Russia and Iran was the countries which has sold them a lot of martial equipment in the past.

The list is too long. As you know, terrorism had been used by many countries in the past against another. However it's time to say stop to them! Because if we don't say it today, tomorrow they'll certainly become more powerful than their supporters and gun will turn back in anyway.

5. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Like just ingoring/denying the fact that killing the armenians during the 1915-1922 era was genocide. Or the fact that any critic on the politics is not accepted. Why???

No, Turkey is widely open to discuss the issue. We claim that it wasn't a genocide but it's not banned to say it's a genocide. If some Armenian has some proofs they're welcome to discuss. Moreover, Turkish government has invited many Armenian Diaspora member to Turkey for hold a conference. However, Armenian government is finding to make pressure on European Parliments for genocide laws more interesting instead of discussing with Turkey.

In Holland, Turkish candidates couldn't join to the elections just because they're supporting the Turkish Thesis. One of my article has deleted from a French Journalism Forum last week only because of it describes genocide as alleged. Those countries should first question their freedom of speech before Turkey.

For Kurdish people, we've opened Kurdish language schools, nobody went there! We've started Kurdish Broadcasting, nobody watched it. They have wanted those and complaning lack of rights before. Then why they didn't interested with their rights?

They have exactly the same rights with other people in Turkey. Moreover, the problem is not related with Kurds, problem is Terror. It's pretty ok to set up their social organizations, and ask their rights in legal ways. However, using terror shouldn't be tolerable neither by us, nor supported by other countries.

Today, there's only one Kurdish Social Party and they're widely open supporting PKK. We can't bargain with them before they set up a legal organization. Because of that, many of the Kurdish people don't support them as well.

Maybe I'm a Kurd. I don't know, I haven't wondered my ethnic background. However I describe myself as Turk because it's not a ethnic description. It just means Turkish Citizen.

And please now that, it's impossible to define someone as Kurdish or Turkish from the accent or skin color etc. like immigrants in Europe. So nobody can claim that there's a discrimination before.

If Turkey willing to discriminate them, we didn't open our boundaries to Kurdish refugees escaping from Saddam's chemical attack.

Lastly, before PKK, there weren't any Kurdish problem in Turkey!

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7. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Helal valla kardeşBeni de ağlattınValla kürdüm ama böle PKKlı oç kürtler olmaz olsunİnsan gibi Türk-Kürt kardeşçe yaşamak varkenKuruyla birlikte yananlardanız biz deBu herşeyi düzeltecekse varsın olsun!LÜTFEN her kürde poatnsiyel suçlu gibi yaklaşmayınSon araştırmalara göre kürtlerin de oğuz boyundan(yanlış hatırlamıosam)geldiği anlaşıldıZaten herşeyimiz aynıTek farkımız dilimizSonuçta Türk+Kürt-PKK=hepimiz insanızSaygılarımla

This comment on my video says that,
Thank you very much my brother. I'm a Kurdish but they (PKK) can't claim that they are Kurdish as well! Instead of we can live together like Kurd-Turk, because of son of .... PKK we're having a bad image as well!...

As you'll see it's impossible to explain terror with keeping rights. And needless to say, they've killed many Kurdish people, they've burned many Kurdish Village as well!

8. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Sure Mel,
Today Denmark is allowing Roj TV to broadcast and they're provoking the Kurdish people living in south east of Turkey to conflict with laws and security forces.

Are the PKK given air time, on Roj TV?
Not that it would matter. Just because they are allowed, to speak, does not mean, that they are supported or agreed with.
And what type of conflict is it supporting? What are the Kurdish people doing that u disagree with? I presume u mean the ones, which are not terrorists.;)

9. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

ROJ TV describes PKK as HPR Gerillas, (freedom fighters against Turkey). You can see what has happened in Hakkari, the most south east province, after ROJ TV's propaganda. It's a satellite TV which is watched by many people in that region.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW8tZgGFa0I

This riot was because of ROJ TV has announced a car bombing in that region has done by Turkish Intelligence Service. However, lately at the end of case, it has been understood that it's a provoking act done by PKK. It's also really important issue that how ROJ TV has started it's live broadcast from that bombed street only after 5 minutes!!

Kurdish people and PKK of course not the same. However, "some" of the Kurdish People in that region, easily beguiled by PKK and its Broadcasters.

In that video you will see the beguiled Kurdish people in a terrorist's funeral.

If a speech can trigger the terror somewhere on the world, it can't be described as freedom of speech anymore. Everybody has the right for critisize anything but not with violent.

Can Turkey allow a TV channel which provokes the Muslims in Denmark against government? What would Danish society think about Turkey if they lost 30000 people in last 25 year because of east supported Islamic Terror? Would it still be easy to say "it doesn't mean that I'm agree with that channel" for Turkish government? Or would Turkey has been declared by Terrorist Country, Biggest Satan; and been legalized for occupation like Afghanistan or Iraq?

I'm aware that it's how hard to understand even for us, and more complicated for you I guess.

10. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

First of all I am going to say that I know too little to make even an attempt to make a case agianst the role of the Turkish government or the PKK in this matter.

What I would like to know is, what is the origin of this situation? You can't fool me, and they that there was no problem before the PKK emerged. If there were no problems, the PKK would not have been founded in the first place. (maybe the faillure of creating a Kurdish state in the 20's?)

You say there is no way to see/hear who is Turkish and who is Kurdish. It seems that the Kurds make that distinction. How is it possible in your view, that the Turks, think they are one united ethnic group, and the Kurds think they are not? You mention schools being set up, and television programms aimed for the Kurds, so clearly the government also sees the difference. So at least language is a difference.

In my view it is only natural that the Kurds don't want to see, Turkish TV, making television for them. Even if it would have been done with the best of intentions, it is not possible to make that a success, because it would always look like it, that the Kurds would have no control over what is shown. I also think the Turkish government is missing a few steps, why would the Kurds trust the government in Ankara.

As seen in history, there is no military solution to these kind of conflicts. If the Turkish government thinks that a military solution is possible, it will be mistaken. The same is true for the PKK, going ahead with there present tactics, will not get them closer to their goal. If the PKK continue their terror, it will only take longer until, it will be possible to have decent talks with the Turkish government, at the same time the Turkish government has to recognize the PKK (together with other Kurdish organisations), as a possible negociation- partner in the future. I know this will not happen today, or tomorrow, but in the end it is the only way out of this mess. As you say, them setting up a legal political (?) party, would be a step the PKK could take in order to be taken more serious.

On the part of Dutch/Turkish candidates not being able to participate in the elections, you have to notice, that it was the decision of the parties, to remove those candidates from the list. It has nothing to do freedom speech. It is not forbidden by law to have a different view on this, but some political parties will not allow members to have a different view on this case.

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