Quoting Herr Bert
Unfortenately the people who are getting all the attention in the newspapers, and on TV, are the ones that are shouting the loudest, and in general have no idea, what progress Turkey has made in the last 30 years.
I think they do know what progress Turkey has made. That is why Turkey is a potential future member of the EU. But what is acceptable in Turkey is often very different, from what is acceptable, in EU countries.
Mel is talking about, without solving the problems, controlling the terrorists, it's impossible to join to EU for Turkey. Didn't it current for Cyprus? Without solving it's problems? From the middle of mediterranean sea?
If the terrorism was the only problem, maybe Turkey would be closer to joining. All countries have their problems, but the EU have to assess, if potential members have so many problems, that they will have a damaging effect, on the economy, of the EU.
That's the double standart, and the point where EU has failed on Turkish People's eyes.
It is Turkey who is applying to join the EU, not visa versa.
[ Edit: Edited on Mar 26, 2007, at 5:43 AM by Mel. ]
Yes I've heard that many Turkish companies has suspended their relations with Danish companies. Just 1 month before, one of my friend has cancelled their contract with a Danish company and made a new contract with Chinese one.
Does Turkey have better relations, with a torture dictatorship, than it does with the EU? That is sad sad sad, that u cannot see what is wrong with that.
I am even holding out hopes, that the EU and US industries will stop trading with countires like China. I am hoping our governments will put pressure on them. But, even if that does happen, I suppose there will be industries, in less ethical countries, which will take our places. It is a sad world we live in.
Quoting Herr Bert
I don't think that controlling or not controlling terrorists will be a breakingpoint for becoming a member or not. When Spain joined, it had a lot of trouble controling ETA, and the UK always had problems with the IRA (until a couple of years ago). And you can also say Italy never got a firm grip on the Maffia.
I think something else also applies here.
Society develops. What may not have been a factor to prevent a country from becomming a member of the EU, a number of decades ago may be a factor now.
[ Edit: Edited on Mar 26, 2007, at 7:58 AM by Mel. ]
Many people has asked to me like, "is it mandatory to wear a scarf, headscarf in Turkey? is it legal to have more than one wife" etc... that was pretty interesting because they're against something that they don't know actually!!
What is it, that u think those people do not know, about the wearing of head scarfs, and polygamy?
immigrants were unskilled, uneducated Turkish people which couldn't live in Turkey. After some European Countire's worker invitation, they've moved there. however they're still keeping their lifestyle which is representing the lifestyle of Turkey before 80s.
I have a lot of Turkish neighbours, here in Germany. I will be able to assess if they are in fact old fashioned, when I visit Turkey, hopefully this year, or next.
And if the religion and population is a problem for EU, why they're continue to negotiate? No, we can't kill the half of nation nor change our religion because of EU
I dont think changing your religion would be a requirement for the EU. But I presume u are joking?
If people have moral objections against a company then they shouldn't do business with it.
The problem with this suggestion, is that there are moral reasons, to not do business, with almost all big companies. Something much bigger needs to be done. If u stop doing buisness with one company, because of moral objections, there is unlikely to be a more moral alternative. I see these companies, as one of the major contributors to extreme poverty, in the world.
I like roast Turkey.
with some nice ocalan sauce hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
What is Ocalan sauce?