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11. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

There where also training facilities in the Netherlands of the PKK. I don't know a lot about this organization. I travelled in eastern Turkey in 2003 and noticed a lot of militairy on the roads. Ocalan/PKK is since 1984 in war with the Turkish "invador". They sill are fighting for a indepedant state, right? I don't understand why, because the kurdish people are living in Iraq, Iran and Syria as well. So does that mean that the PKK wants those areas as well if Turkey would bow?

I think that Turkey will never join EU if they are still in conflict with this very undeveloped part of the country.

Ocalan started the PKK because off the fact that Turkey gave minorities less rights. In this regard, they also give the Christians less rights.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 19, 2007, at 6:26 AM by wouterrr ]

12. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

PKK was declared its aim to set up a new Kurdish State on the south east lands of Turkey and Northern Iraq. However, they've first attacked to Kurdish villages in that region to give a fear that people.

You know, when they come to the villages from mountains, they're asking from those people food, clothes etc. So it was important to take the control on them. Problems starting with PKK.

Till that time, both west and east of Turkey has grown equally. However, after that, nobody wanted to go there. They've killed any service personel, teachers, etc. Even the young people who have come to the west in anyway, didn't want to turn back and serve their provinces. Many of them has escaped European Countries declared themselves as a refugee from Gulf War.

Interestingly, today, PKK try to convince that people saying that "look, Turkish government doesn't care you, they're not sending teacher, doctor to you". The fact is, there is no teacher willing to go there knowing he/she will assasinated in anyway.

I know those problems can't be solved by martial. However, you should say these to PKK part. Turkish government hasn't acted like Israel or US bombing civilians, building walls. We're fighting only against the terrorists on the mountains. As you'll realize from the last video, not against the people on the streets. Moreover, as you well known, it's impossible to beat PKK without cutting their financal sources in Europe Banks, wihout seeing their arm-logistic supporters from other countries. This kind of solution is of course the easiest and bloodless way but it's not just depending on Turkey, it also depends on European governments as well.

Yes there's another language called Kurdish. However, except the people like more than 50-60 everybody knows Turkish as well. They're just learning that their ansesstors were Kurdish. They've never got a state since the beginning of history.

The reason why they're asking to set up a state is not the lack of rights. I'm really sure that most of them will come to Turkey for work, even if they set up a new country. The reason is oil.!!

Northern Iraq and the south east Turkey is including the richest oil reserve that most of it even hasn't used yet and really important for western countries especially for US after the peak of oil production. That's why they're supporting Kurdistan wishing to get a percentage from that new country' petrol thanks to their support..

I don't support to bargain any kind of terrorist organisation and it's supporter Kurdish part. If the peaceful Kurdish part honestly believe that they're in need of more rights, they're welcome to select new, honest, peaceful leaders for them. Not the old ones...

By the way, you should know that today there are many Kurdish parliments and 3 ministers are being in Turkish Parliment. Even only this is enough to see if they have the same rights or not...

Yes, as I've seen in history, Asala (Armenian Terrorist Group) was supporting by many countries as well; till they've bombed Orio Airport in Milan;/ITALY. Surprisingliy, it hasn't taken more than 1 month to be ended up after that!

So, if the foreign countries decided to help Turkey's war on terror, if the EU parlimenters start to come directly to Ankara instead of visiting Diyarbakır (Alleged Capital City of Kurdistan) these problems will be solved easier.

Do I know wrong? Don't you have a law which punishes the deny of genocide with jail and fine? I've read the French one but I know Netherlands and Switzerland have the smiliar one as well. Then of course the parties won't suggest a candidate who is obvious to be arrested next day.

13. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Why are you intested in this, Stuthkfl?

14. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Ocalan started the PKK because off the fact that Turkey gave minorities less rights. In this regard, they also give the Christians less rights.

I really suggest you that have a look to the number of churchs in Istanbul and number of mosques in Athens or London or whatever... All of the non-muslims are very happy to live in Turkey. Even I have 2 Greek friends in Istanbul and they love both government and society so much! If you can find a muslim country which has given more rights to the non muslims, although it has fight with crusader armies for centuries; please suggest me as a good example

Indeed since last 2 years, nobody wants to join EU in Turkey who are aware of the political facts. Especially after the membership of Cyprus. They've suggested a referandum for unitation, Turks have voted it for YES, Greeks have voted for NO; honestly(!) they've accepted only Greeks without being a union with Turks. Again Turks has accepted the Annan Plan, Greeks has denied; EU be with Greeks again!

What if Turks would be regret the unifying? Probably we would be the bad guy, occupation force or sth in that case...

Announcement of many counties that they will hold a referandum for Turkey's membership, although it has meet the criteria in one day; is another double standart.

While they're claiming Turkey is not a part of EU by geographically, allowing Cyprus; while asking for economy, allowing Bulgaria and Romania was fairly enough events which made Turkish people anti-European.

15. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

ROJ TV describes PKK as HPR Gerillas, (freedom fighters against Turkey). You can see what has happened in Hakkari, the most south east province, after ROJ TV's propaganda. It's a satellite TV which is watched by many people in that region.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW8tZgGFa0I

This riot was because of ROJ TV has announced a car bombing in that region has done by Turkish Intelligence Service. However, lately at the end of case, it has been understood that it's a provoking act done by PKK. It's also really important issue that how ROJ TV has started it's live broadcast from that bombed street only after 5 minutes!!

Kurdish people and PKK of course not the same. However, "some" of the Kurdish People in that region, easily beguiled by PKK and its Broadcasters.

In that video you will see the beguiled Kurdish people in a terrorist's funeral.

If a speech can trigger the terror somewhere on the world, it can't be described as freedom of speech anymore. Everybody has the right for critisize anything but not with violent.

Can Turkey allow a TV channel which provokes the Muslims in Denmark against government? What would Danish society think about Turkey if they lost 30000 people in last 25 year because of east supported Islamic Terror? Would it still be easy to say "it doesn't mean that I'm agree with that channel" for Turkish government? Or would Turkey has been declared by Terrorist Country, Biggest Satan; and been legalized for occupation like Afghanistan or Iraq?

I'm aware that it's how hard to understand even for us, and more complicated for you I guess.

Stuthkfl
If people are provoked to violence, by this TV coverage and the influence of the PKK, they are already terrorists. How does a person become a member of the PKK? Likely they only have to do an act of terrorism, in support of the PKK and then declare themselves a member, or maybe they are already a member because of the act alone.

As for the media coverage. I dont think the press should be banned from telling us what is going on. Freedom of press goes hand in hand, with protection and development of human rights

16. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Why are you intested in this, Stuthkfl?

why not?

17. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Why are you intested in this, Stuthkfl?

why not?

no problem, just asking. Are you Kurdish yourself or from which part of Turkey are you?

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 19, 2007, at 7:16 AM by wouterrr ]

18. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Or can a TV channel broadcasting from Denmark provoke the Muslims against US and UK

This would happen, only in countries, where the government feeds the people only what it wants them to believe and not all the other information.
That is the danger of taking away the freedom of press, which u seem to be suggesting should happen. Are u suggesting that?
Luckily, Denmark is a democratic country, where this is unlikely to happen.

19. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Why are you intested in this, Stuthkfl?

why not?

Exactly
Why should he not be interested?
I am interested too.;)

20. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

Why are you intested in this, Stuthkfl?

why not?

Exactly
Why should he not be interested?
I am interested too.;)

Yeaaaaaaaaaaah Mel. I am intested toooooooo. But just curious about the motives behind this thread.

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