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111. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

So you don't think there are any relations in this Mel? Maybe not the armenian genocide thing or whatever specific reason, but maybe indeed the way turkish government or society deals with other peoples like the Kurdish? It's not to defend them, but there are always two sides of story in every case!

I just want to hear, what Stuthkfl has to say about the PKK and Denmark, before talking about other things wrong with Turkey. Otherwise, he may concentrate on defending Turkey, instead of discussing the topic.;)

112. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

[You reaction is a bit arrogant, and with always putting the ;) after every sentence doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. I can google PKK and help Europe as well. So show some respect to what others than you, stut or the two dutch chaps have to say please!
Also if it doesn't fit the discussion the way you like

Rant rant rant;););)

113. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting stuthkfl

I like roast Turkey.

you kiwi! shut up!

James is from Oz

It does not matter where he is from.
What matters is, that he shut up.

114. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

And Police Brutality was one of the biggest issue which EU criticize Turkey on it. However, the first riot of Copenhagen, ungdomshuset riots has shown that; Danish Police has used much much more brutality against protestors than the Turkish Police had used against PKK sympathizers.

Which first riot, in Copenhagen?
Which year did it take place?
Who was rioting?;)

115. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

This may be because of concern from the EU, about the methods the Turkish authorities may use, to extract the information from the terrorists, who were captured.
It has been reported, by various human rights organisations, that Turkish authorities violate the human rights of Kurdish people. If Belgium and France hand over these prisoners, to a country, where their human rights stand a high possibility of being violated, then Belgium and France would be guilty of violating human rights codes.

The following is a cut and paste from this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Turkey
Conscientious objectors
The issue of conscientious objectors is highly controversial in the country. Turkey and Azerbaijan are the only members of the Council of Europe that refuse to recognize the right to conscientious objection. In January 2006, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Turkey had violated Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights that prohibits degrading treatment in a case dealing with conscientious objection.[17]

116. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

This riot was because of ROJ TV has announced a car bombing in that region has done by Turkish Intelligence Service.

I think it is likely, that the cause of the riot was more than just the TV broadcase. ;)

so you think it's possible for a Danish TV channel to setup a live broadcast from south east Turkey in five minutes ;)

117. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

I'm aware that it's how hard to understand even for us, and more complicated for you I guess.

Why would it be more complicated for us?
We get plenty of news and information, over here, so are capable of quite a lot of understanding.;)

sure, is your TV channels showing hundreds of disabled people who has lost their arms legs in terroist attacks? or are they just showing a bombed empty building or sth?

118. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

In that video you will see the beguiled Kurdish people in a terrorist's funeral.

Are u making this judgement, based soley on your own interpretation of this video?;)

well if I don't define them as beguilled then there's no reason to watch them while you're killing the same group in mountains... those f16s can bomb that people as well in a short way if they're terrorists' ownself..?

119. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Herr Bert

You say there is no way to see/hear who is Turkish and who is Kurdish.

And if it cant be seen or heard, maybe they are trying to avoid it being seen or heard. I wonder why. I suspect, it would be to escape the discrimination, they would suffer, if they were known to be Kurd.
That reminds me, of something. I once heard of a girl, who disguised herself, as a boy, to avoid sexual harassment, while she was traveling in South America. I think she prefers to look like and express herself, as a woman, but in other circumstances.

they should war against terrorism to make their Kurdish etiquette clear; not me..

120. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

You know, when they come to the villages from mountains, they're asking from those people food, clothes etc. So it was important to take the control on them. Problems starting with PKK.

I dont think the fact, that they ask people for food, clothes etc is necessarily a problem. But, I presume they dont take no, for an answer, and that would certainly be a problem. ;)

also the Kurdish villages which has regret to support them logistically has burned by PKK...

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