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151. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

In your view, you could say that when Bosnia decleared itself a state, they should not defend themselves when Yugoslavia (Serbia) started a policy to remove every mulsim from this area, and to keep Bosnia within the Federation. Instead you wanted them to demonstrate?

Of course people have to defend themselves, if they are attacked.
There is a difference between countries defending themselves, and countries aggressing against, other countries. ;)

152. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Herr Bert

As I posted before, there is a thin line between terrorists and freedomfighters.

Wouldnt freedomfighters use non violent methods, as opposed to terrrorists who use violent methods?

Some of them do, some of them don't .. and some of them change their tactics from violent to non-violent, and vice-versa.

153. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

The problem is not Greece, Cyprus is an indepent state, and a member of the EU. Turkey doesn't recognice the indepence of the "greek" part of Cyprus, and therefor doesn't recognise one of the members of the EU, whilst it wants to be part of the same organisation.

I just want to ask u, for some information, about Cyprus Herr Bert.
Does the Greek part of Cyprus have its own government, or is it governed, by the Greek government?

154. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Cyprus was an English colony, but soon after WWII, The people on Cyprus want the English out (just like happened in a lot of places all over the world). Some wanted to become independent, a lot of Greeks wanted to join Greece, and a lot of Turks wanted to join Turkey. As the Turks are a minority on Cyprus, they wanted to split the Island, and let the Turkish part become part of Turkey. After the coup in Greece in the late 60's, the Greeks on Cyprus, opted for independence instead of joining Greece. The Greek junta, even tried to invade Cyprus, but that was the trigger for the Turks to also invade Cyprus (to provide Greece taking whole of the island). Instead of retreating from Cyprus, after the defeat of the Greek force, the Turks occupied the whole North of the Island.

And a lot of talks later, this more or less is still the situation. You have the independent Cyprus on the South. (the Greek part of it, that has joined the EU), and in the North is a part that is occupied by Turkey (if you follow the United Nations version), or the The Republic of North Cyprus (if you follow the Turkish version, note that only Turkey recognises this country).

And that is in a nutshell still the situation. In reality it's much more complicated.

155. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

This riot was because of ROJ TV has announced a car bombing in that region has done by Turkish Intelligence Service.

I think it is likely, that the cause of the riot was more than just the TV broadcase. ;)

so you think it's possible for a Danish TV channel to setup a live broadcast from south east Turkey in five minutes ;)

The news folk, do often seem to be quickly on the site of the news.
And since the Kurdistan issue is current news, it is likely that they hover, waiting for news to happen.
I think u are putting 2 n 2 together, a bit too much, when it conveniences u. But, u do not use this techniques, when looking at the evidence, that the Armanian Genocide took place. ;)

156. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Why would it be more complicated for us?
We get plenty of news and information, over here, so are capable of quite a lot of understanding.;)

sure, is your TV channels showing hundreds of disabled people who has lost their arms legs in terroist attacks? or are they just showing a bombed empty building or sth?[/quote]

Stuthkfl
We dont need to actually see pictures of the injuries, to know the effects a bomb can have on the human body.

157. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

well if I don't define them as beguilled then there's no reason to watch

UMM!!
Well, that is your opinion.;)

158. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Herr Bert

You say there is no way to see/hear who is Turkish and who is Kurdish.

And if it cant be seen or heard, maybe they are trying to avoid it being seen or heard. I wonder why. I suspect, it would be to escape the discrimination, they would suffer, if they were known to be Kurd.
That reminds me, of something. I once heard of a girl, who disguised herself, as a boy, to avoid sexual harassment, while she was traveling in South America. I think she prefers to look like and express herself, as a woman, but in other circumstances.

they should war against terrorism to make their Kurdish etiquette clear; not me..

I dont think I understand what u mean. Would u explain more? ;)

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 5, 2007, at 4:00 AM by Mel. ]

159. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

You know, when they come to the villages from mountains, they're asking from those people food, clothes etc. So it was important to take the control on them. Problems starting with PKK.

I dont think the fact, that they ask people for food, clothes etc is necessarily a problem. But, I presume they dont take no, for an answer, and that would certainly be a problem. ;)

also the Kurdish villages which has regret to support them logistically has burned by PKK...

Yes, we(I am presuming, we all do) already know that terrorism is bad. And yes, it should stop. I presume this comment is to persuade us, that terrorism is bad. There is no need, for it. ;)

160. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

how many parlimenter Turkish in Europe? should Turks use terror to send a parlimenter in the parliment?

What is a parlimenter?