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21. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

As for the media coverage. I dont think the press should be banned from telling us what is going on. Freedom of press goes hand in hand, with protection and development of human rights

I don't think too, but then do you see the ROJ TV's propaganda as a freedom? Shouldn't they banned?

Those countries are banning some films just because of it includes a hard slap. (See "Last Ottoman" film's ban in Germany) Why they're insist on to keep these channels? Woutter is also saying that there were some training camps in Netherlands as well!

Without they be provoked against government, it will be easy to develope that region and educate those people.

I think ;)

22. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

Why are you intested in this, Stuthkfl?

why not?

Exactly
Why should he not be interested?
I am interested too.;)

Yeaaaaaaaaaaah Mel. I am intested toooooooo. But just curious about the motives behind this thread.

well I'm a secret agent working for Turkish Government
nope, the only reason is, as I said in the beggining, how some Europeans see them as freedom fighters(!)??

and I'm aware that how important it is to discuss terrorism and it's definitions with a international place ;)

I'm taking Science, Technology and Terrorism class as well, we're discussing these subjects each week! You can see the course content, don't worry they're not teaching how to make bombs
http://www.dtv.dk/tekhist/undervisning/kursus_88389.aspx

23. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Many people in this world, especially from repressed countries, are extremely scared, which is ofcourse understandable. But it is also ignored quit easily. That is (why I think) that terrorists have too much influence and power on this world. But what can you do? Giving them the land would not be good because you never know how far they will go with their terror. At the end they want the entire world for themselves. They are just all mental very confused and psycho's if you ask me.

24. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

As for the media coverage. I dont think the press should be banned from telling us what is going on. Freedom of press goes hand in hand, with protection and development of human rights

I don't think too, but then do you see the ROJ TV's propaganda as a freedom? Shouldn't they banned?

Those countries are banning some films just because of it includes a hard slap. (See "Last Ottoman" film's ban in Germany) Why they're insist on to keep these channels? Woutter is also saying that there were some training camps in Netherlands as well!

Without they be provoked against government, it will be easy to develope that region and educate those people.

I think ;)

I think there is a difference between a film, and actual news. But even on the news, there would be a limit on how disturbing the pictures they show are. And yes, I agree with this. The main purpose of the news, should be to inform us, not to disturb unnecessarily, peoples peace of mind. As long as the purpose of the media is to inform us, I think we should have access to it.
All a particular news clip or doccumentary is doing is showing us, how some people think and what some people do.
If u really think the muslims will be so influenced, by one aspect of the news(I mean the muslims who live in countries, where they have access, to all information. Countries like Denmark), that they will be incited to violence, I dont think u give them much credit.;)

25. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

as to give some backgroundinformation:

The muslims that are offended by the cartoons, and in fact started protesting, did that out of fear or because they were pushed by an extremistic mullah/emam. Fundamental and extremist leaders are behind this. Believe me! Most muslims which have seen the cartoons are angry (which is understandable, religion is a very emotional thing). But I am sure that most muslims have put it aside.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 19, 2007, at 9:23 AM by wouterrr ]

26. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Hi again, I was in town, I've just arrived.

Mel I think you misunderstand the subject ;) ROJ TV is broadcasting from Denmark. However, people mostly watch it from south east Turkey on their satellite TVs. They're not just infroming people, they're giving bank numbers under the name of "help for Kurdish People which has injured during the war!". Which war? The war that they've talked about is Turkish Security Forces' operations to camps in mountains!

They're announcing meetings against government which get into riots everytime! That's one of the reasons which makes them away from Ankara.

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Muhammed cartoons make me sad as well. Critisizing something is a freedom of course, but describing someone, especially a religious leader as terrorist or homosexual or sth different can't be named freedom. Can I draw your picture in that bad figures and publish it under the name of freedom? However, the reaction shouldn't be given shouting on the strees like "we will kill all of you blah blah...".

Good solution is warning drawers in a very polite way. As polite as feel them sorry about what did they do. Don't misunderstand me please, but I really wonder about what would Danish society think about me if I describe the Queen as prostitute? Probably everyday I would get threat phones from Danske Front nationalist organization.

That's the same case, blaming a group, nation, religion totally is always wrong! Every group has to include some radical parts, some normal parts. It's not depending on education or sth.

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Lastly, it's pretty normal that get some reflection from the people who has suffered from terror or war or sth. You're holding a debate for homosexualism we're holding a debate for terrorism; yours is pretty unusual for us too, believe me

Anyway friends, I've gained a lot of opinion being an exchange student and it seems like I'll continue to discuss this and smilar issues till I return ─░stanbul ;)

27. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I think if something seems to be wrong with ROJ, Turkish government should file a complaint at the Danish government, with a suggestion to investigate this.

On the cartoons ... I am really sorry to say this, but if cartoons (humor) are taking serious, almost everybody in the western world would have to be offended. Check out some broadcasts of e.g. Spitting Image, and you will see, that the Queen can be offended, without the makers receiving threat calls. The problem is that cartoons in a lot of countries have a tradition for being offending for politicians, religion, gays, royals etc etc. So please get a sense of humor, and draw some cartoons yourself.

Comparing a debate for terrorism, with a debate for homosexuality is comparing two things, that are totally different.

28. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

I think if something seems to be wrong with ROJ, Turkish government should file a complaint at the Danish government, with a suggestion to investigate this.

They've complained, and judge decided that it's freedom of speech. now it's beeing judged again with new prooves.

Of course cartoons are for joy. However, what's funny in a cartoon which shows Muhammed as a terrorist? Freedom should end in somewhere where the others freedoms/values has started. In my country, we learn this behaviour as "respect".

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 19, 2007, at 1:28 PM by stuthkfl ]

29. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

ROJ is being evaluated by the Danish government, so let them do their job. If it is really as bad as you tell us, action will be taken, to either get this station off the air, or will get a warning to adjust their broadcasts, and be monitored closely.

Taken out of the context, a picture of the prophet depicted as a terrorist is not funny, but why can't it be funny when you see it in the context how it was meant?

The same newspaper, also did cartoons about Jesus, Politicians and royalty. In European this normal and nobody ever made a fuss about that. So why should a cartoon about Mohamed not be published, and a cartoon about Jesus be normal?

Respect is also tolerating the traditions and values of other countries, even if you don't like them.

But we are getting away from what we we're talking about. Turkey and the PKK.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 19, 2007, at 1:58 PM by Herr Bert ]

30. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

The same newspaper, also did cartoons about Jesus, Politicians and royalty. In European this normal and nobody ever made a fuss about that. So why should a cartoon about Mohamed not be published, and a cartoon about Jesus be normal?

I haven't said that it's ok for Jesus or somebody else. ;) Forget religional leaders, even for a normal man, I describe this as slander.

Yes you're right, I'm turning into subject ;)

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