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41. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Of course Turkey can make a law for allowing Hamas or Al Quada to make broadcasts in Turkey, why not? But it should not be surprised if some countries wouldn't like it, and would respond in a way. I don't believe that would be a military response, but you could expect, that negotions with the EU would be cancelled completely, US firms would not be allowed to do business with Turkey, something like that.

Yes I've heard that many Turkish companies has suspended their relations with Danish companies. Just 1 month before, one of my friend has cancelled their contract with a Danish company and made a new contract with Chinese one.

So you find these responses decent, acceptable but being respectful hard to do right?

Because of a "bad guy" lots of children had died in Iraq during the ambargo for medicine. Now more people dieing too. Why Saddam's ideas hadn't considered as freedom of speech?

By the way, if that countries don't have any armies or companies which they can give a response... can they use their illegal -only- powers as well?

So in this case, we should welcome all suicide bombers under the name of "response" shouldn't we?

I don't get your last remark. As those people are making threats to people in another country, with other values/laws, of course that doesn't make it alright. I also think Turkish law, doesn't allow you to make deaththreats in Turkey as well.

lol of course it doesn't I mean maybe according to Iran's law, it's ok under the Jihad name ;)

42. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

It would be rediculous, to start negotiations with a country that is not recognizing one of the other members

It was EU's fault to get a new country without unifyed. I can say that both of us were a candidate before... Then why did they allow us to become a candidate while half of the other candidate's, Cyprus' land is under occupation of us?

Turkey and the Northern Cyprus are always supporting the unification under United Nations' plan. Greeks didn't want to get unfied. Although that how can they still blaming Turkish part?

Mel is talking about, without solving the problems, controlling the terrorists, it's impossible to join to EU for Turkey. Didn't it current for Cyprus? Without solving it's problems? From the middle of mediterranean sea?

That's the double standart, and the point where EU has failed on Turkish People's eyes.

I don't think that controlling or not controlling terrorists will be a breakingpoint for becoming a member or not. When Spain joined, it had a lot of trouble controling ETA, and the UK always had problems with the IRA (until a couple of years ago). And you can also say Italy never got a firm grip on the Maffia.

I think that the EU hoped, that they could force Cyprus and Turkey into a settlement on Cyprus. But really I don't know.

I agree with you that the EU is setting higher standards for Turkey, than it has done with other candidates. I think that some countries are concerned about letting a country join, with a big population, more than the United Kingdom and France (which translates to a big vote in the council and parliament), and with a different religious background. The EU want to have extra securities. I think that is a negative approach, but that my opinion.

Also don't forget, that the EU also has a lot of work to do. I think it also has become clear, that the people living in the EU, can't keep up with all the changes, and adding of new member-states. A lot of people feel that the EU has grown way to fast over the last 10 years, and has too much influence in the laws, that countries used to handle themselves. In the eyes of a lot of people the EU was ok, as it was: an economical union, but has turned into a beast, that has too much to say about everyday life.

43. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I am not prepared to also throw Saddam into the mix, but I just want to make the remark, that the embargo, was a UN decision, and not a US decision. Also as part of this embargo, there was an oil for food programm, allowing Iraq to buy food, medicals supplies etc. in decent quantities to feed their people, and to treat their sick. As it turned out Iraqi government didn't spend the money they received from that programm on helping their own people, but for their own benefits, and to rebuild the army.

If people have moral objections against a company then they shouldn't do business with it. I think is funny that a Danish company that had nothing to do with these cartoons, should not get a contract. I would rather think that if you should use an embargo, it should be against, the paper, the publisher, or companies that support the paper (by buying advertisments in that papers), and not against let's say a business that sells cheese.

In my opinion this response it largely over the top. I still think that religious people should not be taking everything so serious. (I'm not only talking about Muslims, but also about Christians.)

As you say Illegal yourself ... I don't think a response is needed.

44. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

That's pretty good to find somebodies here who I can discuss these issues with and has a good background information.

Yes as I can realize from all my interviews in my environement, one of the biggest case is population. Indeed, even having a worry about the vote right of a member shows that it hasn't got an exact union soul yet ;) Allowing the Bulgaria and Romania, Orange Revolution in Ukrain were all the steps for gaining those countries against Russia block. It wasn't something made for benefit of them.

Poland.. what is local in Poland today? All properties, companies has been owned by the citizens of big members of EU, especially by Germans. They don't have any economical independence now... However, in past, they've gained their lands with their bloods.

Same thing has started in Turkey too. Because of the regulations, government has allowed to sales of properties to foreign people.
That was another thing which we worry about.

And Muslim population. Many people has known Turkey with it's bad examples, immigrants living in Europe. Or from BBC news.. Many people has asked to me like, "is it mandatory to wear a scarf, headscarf in Turkey? is it legal to have more than one wife" etc... that was pretty interesting because they're against something that they don't know actually!!

immigrants were unskilled, uneducated Turkish people which couldn't live in Turkey. After some European Countire's worker invitation, they've moved there. however they're still keeping their lifestyle which is representing the lifestyle of Turkey before 80s.

I've tried to give same message in this forums next pages,
http://www.mycow.eu/forum.php?topic=25

To whom they don't know Turkey and its religion perspective, can think that we're a kind of evangelical muslims, considering Iran and Suudi Arabia are Vatican and Iraq, Syria are Poland or sth.

And if the religion and population is a problem for EU, why they're continue to negotiate? No, we can't kill the half of nation nor change our religion because of EU

45. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

I am not prepared to also throw Saddam into the mix, but I just want to make the remark, that the embargo, was a UN decision, and not a US decision. Also as part of this embargo, there was an oil for food programm, allowing Iraq to buy food, medicals supplies etc. in decent quantities to feed their people, and to treat their sick. As it turned out Iraqi government didn't spend the money they received from that programm on helping their own people, but for their own benefits, and to rebuild the army.

Yes you're right, but you know that assasinating Saddam and attracting people to set up a democratic regime could certainly be easier than a war. They've made a war, because they were in need to use their armies, to produce more guns.. So ambargo was for people, not for saddam I think in reason, may be you think in only result. thanks to embargo they've created an antic society on a oil ocean!

If people have moral objections against a company then they shouldn't do business with it. I think is funny that a Danish company that had nothing to do with these cartoons, should not get a contract.

well, they can start to work by warning their local politicians to have e look their freedom of speech description or they can stop to give advertisement to that newspaper.

46. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

I think if something seems to be wrong with ROJ, Turkish government should file a complaint at the Danish government, with a suggestion to investigate this.

They've complained, and judge decided that it's freedom of speech. now it's beeing judged again with new prooves.

Yes, I agree. If these people are collecting money, for terrorism, the Turkish government should continue to object and find as much proof, as possible

I think I know the situation u are taking about Stuthkfl.
We used to have terrorists, in Ireland up until a couple of years ago. They used to collect money, in the US, for their cause. This was a nuisance, for the Irish government and poeple in Ireland, who wanted the terrorism to stop(this was most Irish people). I think a turning point was the bombing of the twin towers, in the US. This showed a lot of people what terrorism is about. I think many Americans then stoped funding the IRA. Soon after, they agreed to hand over all their weapons. And there has been no trouble from them, since. ;)

47. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

I don't think that controlling or not controlling terrorists will be a breaking point for becoming a member or not.

Of course not.
There are many issues, that are delaying Turkeys entry, into the EU.

48. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

I like roast Turkey.

49. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

I like roast Turkey.

you kiwi! shut up!

50. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

Maybe they are terrorists, but this thread is basically some negative information about the PKK, not considering the aspects which have triggered PKK.

The motivations of the PKK are beside the point. Terrorism is not an acceptable solution, to the problems. At least not to most people, in modern society.;)

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