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81. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

You are right Mel, about the oil thing, although there is a major oil pipeline in construction between Baku on the Caspian Sea and the Mediterrean through Azerbaidzjan, Georgia and Turkey. I've seen a part of it, it is huge and very important!

82. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

If you can find a muslim country which has given more rights to the non muslims

Yes indeed, an Islamic country who gives more rights, to non muslims would be hard to find. But i dont think we should compare bad and worse. But, it is not enough, to treat them better, than other muslim countries would. They should have equality. Since Turkey is a secular state, this means the government should agree, with this. But agreeing and putting into practice, seem to be 2 different things.;)

83. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Indeed since last 2 years, nobody wants to join EU in Turkey who are aware of the political facts.

Well, joining the EU is not compulsary. If this is true, then the EU will likely accept the decision, if the Turkish government let them know.;)

84. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

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While they're claiming Turkey is not a part of EU by geographically, allowing Cyprus; while asking for economy, allowing Bulgaria and Romania was fairly enough events which made Turkish people anti-European.

I dont think the EU has much interest in Cyprus, Turkish, Greek political situation, as long as there is peace. The problem is, that if Turkey do not make peace, with Greece, this will also remain a barrier to them joining the EU. I think it is important that the EU economy is based on peace, and a high standard of human rights. Greece is a member of the EU, and if Turkey is also to become a member, it must make peace with Greece. ;)

It is a similiar situation with Serbia. If they do not remain peaceful, this will be a barrier to their becomming members of the EU also.;)

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 22, 2007, at 8:21 AM by Mel. ]

85. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

As far as I know, Turkey, including the area that the PKK know as Kurdistan is not rich in oil. In fact, I have never heard, of it having any oil, at all. If I am wrong, please provide an internet link, where I can read about it.

I doubt, that the US are supporting Kurdistan. Especially, since they are so keen to keep on friendly terms, with Turkey.;)

There is an oil industry near Batman and Diyarbakir. I am sorry but I can't attach my Bosatlas (edition 52), but I am sure Utrecht/Wouterrr can verify (pagina 131). As everyone in Holland has grown up with them, maybe your boyfriend has one lying around ;)

Although there is oil to be found in Turkish Kudistan, the oil reserve around Mosul, and Kirkuk are much bigger.

This is an article in which the oildeposits of Batman are mentioned, together with the infamous Haliburton inc.
http://www.turks.us/article~story~2003052708050646.htm

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 22, 2007, at 9:46 AM by Herr Bert ]

86. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

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While they're claiming Turkey is not a part of EU by geographically, allowing Cyprus; while asking for economy, allowing Bulgaria and Romania was fairly enough events which made Turkish people anti-European.

I dont think the EU has much interest in Cyprus, Turkish, Greek political situation, as long as there is peace. The problem is, that if Turkey do not make peace, with Greece, this will also remain a barrier to them joining the EU. I think it is important that the EU economy is based on peace, and a high standard of human rights. Greece is a member of the EU, and if Turkey is also to become a member, it must make peace with Greece. ;)

It is a similiar situation with Serbia. If they do not remain peaceful, this will be a barrier to their becomming members of the EU also.;)

The problem is not Greece, Cyprus is an indepent state, and a member of the EU. Turkey doesn't recognice the indepence of the "greek" part of Cyprus, and therefor doesn't recognise one of the members of the EU, whilst it wants to be part of the same organisation.

87. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Muhammed cartoons make me sad as well. Critisizing something is a freedom of course, but describing someone, especially a religious leader as terrorist or homosexual or sth different can't be named freedom.

It is not necessarily OK, to do absolutely anything, in the name of freedom. If something offends people, they can complain, and if enough people complain, then the item is removed. If enough people complained, about this cartoon(in a non violent way, of course), then it would be removed, and not allowed again. There is a fine line between freedom of speech and hate mongering or freedom and indecency etc.;)

88. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

Good solution is warning drawers in a very polite way. As polite as feel them sorry about what did they do.


Do u really think, the press have enough morals, to feel sorry, because u explain to them, that they have done something naughty, in a polite way?;)

89. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting stuthkfl

You're holding a debate for homosexualism we're holding a debate for terrorism; yours is pretty unusual for us too, believe me

Huh??
No, we are all talking about terrorism. At least on this thread, as far as I have read.
What do u mean, that ours is pretty usual, for u too? Are u saying, that if we were having a discussion, about homosexuality, it would be unusual to u(and when u say us, do u mean everybody in Turkey, or who?) too? Do u not talk, about homosexuality, in Turkey? There are homosexuals there, as far as I know. They are also subjected to some treatment, which is critisized, by human rights organizations. ;)

90. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

On the cartoons ... I am really sorry to say this, but if cartoons (humor) are taking serious, almost everybody in the western world would have to be offended. Check out some broadcasts of e.g. Spitting Image, and you will see, that the Queen can be offended, without the makers receiving threat calls. The problem is that cartoons in a lot of countries have a tradition for being offending for politicians, religion, gays, royals etc etc. So please get a sense of humor, and draw some cartoons yourself.

I dont know, if we should have to put up with jokes, about everything. For example, when I was still working, two of my colleagues started making jokes, about domestic violence. If they did not stop immediately, when I told them to, I would have made an official complaint, about it. ;)

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