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1. Posted by Dezafinado (Respected Member 177 posts) 9y

These are the lowest fares I've found after consulting with Air Brokers, STA Travel (US branch).

RTW (inter-continental flights only):

....DATE...FROM.............TO............PRICE......(status) - AIRLINE
1) 04/23: Los Angeles >> London......$204..(purchased) - British Airways
2) 07/23: Frankfurt....>> Bangkok.....$704......(booked) - Emirates Airlines
3) 09/03: Bangkok.....>> Melbourne...$599.....(booked) - Thai Airways
4) 10/01: Melbourne...>> Auckland....$649......(booked) - Air New Zealand
5) 10/15: Auckland....>> Los Angeles.$000....(incl in #4) - Air New Zealand
6) Service Fee for #2-5. . . . . . . . . . . $15
7) TOTAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $2171

Initially, I wanted to wing it and purchase tickets along the way, which allows me the freedom to make plans on-the-fly and seek paths originally unintended. But after some research, this might not be a good idea in terms of cost. Since most of my inter-continental flights occur during high season (end of April to October), I'm having difficulties finding cheap fares for legs #2 - #5 (as compared to #1). I'm assuming here that legs #2 - #5 will only cost more to buy during the summer months. Am I looking at the right airlines & airports for cheap fares? Do European and Thai/Asian brokers have wider access to deals that US brokers don't?

Your inputs, opinions, tips are appreciated!

Niki

2. Posted by aharrold45 (Travel Guru 1281 posts) 9y

If I understand your post correctly with the pricing structure you have, it appears that you are doing lots of one way tickets instead of a round the world ticket. If you were doing a RTW ticket I can't figure out how you have figured out all the individual prices seeing you have a set fee for the ticket + taxes which vary depending on the destinations.

If you are looking at getting one way tickets that MAY work out cheaper on the Frankfurt-Bangkok section is if instead of flying from Frankfurt, get yourself to London and then get an Oasis airlines flight to Hong Kong and then make your way to Bangkok from there. I think on the Asia branch someone has a question on getting from Singapore-London which mentions a detailed way of doing that distance cheap on Air Asia, ferry to Hong Kong and then Oasis Airlines, so if you found that post you'd be able to work in the opposite direction if you could fly out of London instead of Frankfurt. I think I saw a flight from London-Hong Kong for something like 150GBP(approx$300) including taxes on a random date I looked at the other day. I just had a check and that flight on July 23 (your given date) costs GBP277.56 ($545US) including taxes, so you lucked out big time with the dates!
The website for Oasis is http://www.oasishongkong.com

For Australia it might work out cheaper getting a Tiger airways flight from Singapore or Bangkok-Darwin and then getting a Jetstar flight to Melbourne, but I haven't checked the prices for your dates so things may be expensive then, but it'd be a lot of mucking about to save a bit of money.

Even if you got a RTW ticket instead of just winging it, well if you made the right choices on your itinerary, you could "make plans on-the-fly and seek paths originally unintended" but just not to a huge extent. For example you could land in London and depart from Helsinki then fly to Dubai-Bangkok or just fly from Helsinki-Bangkok without worrying about Dubai. Doing something like that would allow you unlimited amounts of possible itineraries in Europe (depending on if you wanted to go to Russia, Belarus and a couple of other countries which require a visa in advance and are awfully painful to get). I did something similar by flying in to Kiev/Ukraine overland through Russia, Latvia, Estonia and Finland departing out of Helsinki. If I had of had more time I could have included many other countries in that area. With a situation like that, you'd know you'd need to leave Helsinki on such and such a date, but could just do whatever until you got close to that last week when you'd have to look at getting towards Helsinki or getting a flight there if you were too far away.

That ticket sounds very expensive if the Australia-US rate is roughly the same when the currency is converted. I got mine in Australia, so the $AUD-$US is different, but mine cost probably about $500US more than your price including all taxes and I had 20 flights and covered 4 continents on the ticket.

A lot of people on this branch seem to be from the UK and a lot quote the price of 1200 pounds for their ticket, which roughly equates to $2,400US. So going by that if you held off for that one flight and purchased your ticket in London, it'd be even more expensive than in the US.

Goodluck in finding a better deal and have a great trip.

3. Posted by Smirnoff (Budding Member 43 posts) 9y

The best way to find if your set of one way tickets is the cheapest is to compare another quote. You mentioned Air Brokers and STA Travel, but have you also contacted Airtreks.com ? Just by looking at the prices I would say that it is a pretty good price.

I also wonder how you got the prices for the individual flights, as one-way round the world companies also provide lump sum prices...

Is #2 a direct flight?

Cheers!

4. Posted by Dezafinado (Respected Member 177 posts) 9y

1) The prices above are from STA Travel. I told the agent that I wanted a RTW ticket, so I assume it is. The price details were in the Notes Section of the Itinerary and STA Trip Planner has a break-down of each leg... but I was told by the agent that the Trip Planner doesn't have the most up-to-date fares. It originally gave me a quote of $1667 for a similar itinerary or a difference of $504!

Air Brokers' quote was $2495 (tax & fees included). AB's itinerary is better in that I want to land in Saigon (HCM City) and also fly to Sydney or Melbourne from there instead of Bangkok... FRA--SGN--MEL--AKL--LAX. The main purpose is to get the cheapest fares I can, so it doesn't matter if it's a series of O/W flights or a true RTW ticket. But I'll ask the agent again on that point should it make a difference in price.

2) Leg #2 has a 3-hr lay-over in Dubai. Expensive country!

3)

If you are looking at getting one way tickets that MAY work out cheaper on the Frankfurt-Bangkok section is get yourself to London and then get an Oasis airlines flight to Hong Kong and then make your way to Bangkok.


The cheapest I could find from Oasis (London > HK) for departure dates in the last week of July is £495 (US$990) with tax included.

4) Jetstar - I'm seeing cheaper fares between HCM City to Sydney/Melbourne on Jetstar's website than STA.

5) Melbourne-NZ-Los Angeles: are there more competitive carriers for this leg than Air New Zealand?

6) Restrictions: here is where I'm turned off by buying in advance. Most of the cheapest fares generally are non-refundable, so I'm really stuck to what I bought for the most part.

Thanks for your replies!

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 27, 2007, at 11:18 AM by Dezafinado ]

5. Posted by Smirnoff (Budding Member 43 posts) 9y

For #5) you can check out Air Pacific http://www.airpacific.com/
or possibly Hawaiian Airlines (although I am not sure if this one flies NZ).

6. Posted by Dezafinado (Respected Member 177 posts) 9y

Quoting Dezafinado

3)

If you are looking at getting one way tickets that MAY work out cheaper on the Frankfurt-Bangkok section is get yourself to London and then get an Oasis airlines flight to Hong Kong and then make your way to Bangkok.


The cheapest I could find from Oasis (London > HK) for departure dates in the last week of July is £495 (US$990) with tax included.

I made a mistake. $990 is for 2 persons.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 27, 2007, at 12:37 PM by Dezafinado ]

7. Posted by aharrold45 (Travel Guru 1281 posts) 9y

You most likely will see cheaper fares on Jetstars website than through STA travels, because they add commissions and charges on to the fares sometimes. I know that one of the other airfare sites gives a rediculously high fare compared to if you went through the appropriate airline. Infact I read in a travel industry newsletter that one of the well known airfare sites is getting legal action taken against them by Ryanair. This is because they are constantly selling the fares for double the price you can get them of ryanair's website. It would be highly uncommon for the fares to be double the price, but most the time they are some amount more expensive for booking through a travel agents website.

8. Posted by Dezafinado (Respected Member 177 posts) 9y

It seems if you're familiar with the region or particular route, you'd know where to look. For example, Oasis has better fares fr. London to Hong Kong but I need to be in Ho Chi Minh city... which carrier has competitive fare in this region?

Thanks

9. Posted by Dezafinado (Respected Member 177 posts) 9y

I managed to get the price down to $2016...

new Itinerary (changes in bold):

....DATE...FROM.............TO............PRICE......(status) - AIRLINE
1) 04/23: Los Angeles >> London......$204..(purchased) - British Airways
2) 07/23: Frankfurt....>> Bangkok....$589......(booked) - Qatar Airlines
3) 09/03: Bangkok.....>> Sydney..... $559.....(booked) - Emirates Airlines
4) 10/01: Melbourne...>> Auckland....$649......(booked) - Air New Zealand
5) 10/15: Auckland....>> Los Angeles.$000....(incl in #4) - Air New Zealand
6) Service Fee for #2-5. . . . . . . . . . $15
7) TOTAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $2016

If I could reserve the flight from mainland Asia (Bangkok or HCM City >> Sydney) with Jetstar for $373, I can lower the total to $1830. Thanks aharrold45 for the Jetstar tip.

I'll be flying budget carriers within Europe and Egypt and Turkey, so any tips on carriers is appreciated.

Thanks!

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 27, 2007, at 5:46 PM by Dezafinado ]

10. Posted by aharrold45 (Travel Guru 1281 posts) 9y

I am not sure about competitive fares or if any even actually exist between London and Vietnam. I'm pretty certain that no airline has a bargain flight going from London-Saigon/Ho Chi Minh City as Ho Chi Minh city is a minor hub in terms of the airline passenger numbers in Asia and long haul flights generally only leave out of the most widely used by international travellers. I think that any flight you get from London-Saigon will either go via Bangkok or Hong Kong.

People in Vietnam are pretty poor and have little or no chance of flying to London, so their wouldn't be the need for a return service so that'd mean having a service from London would be worthless. At least in places like Hong Kong and Bangkok you have two of the busiest airports in the world and many people in Hong Kong can afford the flight as can the loads of tourists and business travellers that go there. The same theory would apply for flights to Bangkok as loads of people use Bangkok as a hub to see the rest of South East Asia from or stop there on route to Australia.

You should check out www.whichbudget.com

that would give you a few ideas for the cheaper airlines that operate in Egypt, but if you plan on flying from London-Egypt cheap you'll be dissapointed. It worked out a lot cheaper for me to fly London-Brussels-Cairo than it even did to fly from Athens-Cairo which on a map looks very close especially in comparison to flying the distance I did. In Egypt, I'm unsure where you want to go, but going by bus or sleeper train was pretty good (except the night bus from Luxor to Dahab where you have passport inspectors come on yelling some arabic at about 4am to get your passport out for inspection. Then it happened two more times after that before we arrived in Dahab and yet nobody apart from the passport inspectors had got on or off the bus in that time.

For flying around Europe Ryanair is about the cheapest expecially if you book in advance when a sale is on. Sometimes you can get fares for as little as 0.01Euro+taxes (in one case I got a flight from Shannon/Ireland-London for something like 11 Euros or something close including all the taxes! Airports that Ryanair fly to and from are usually a fair way out of the city so you may need to be aware that just because it says it lands in Oslo, London or where ever it doesn't actually land close most the time. The airport they fly to in Rome is not too far away. Easyjet is another budget airline in Europe, but from the couple of times I have flown on them the name "not so easyjet" or "always delayed jet" should apply! I have had 3 flights all of which were delayed, checking in can be a bit of a nightmare and the staff are generally very unhelpful. On Ryanair, you will have to pay an additional luggage fee because you pay for the right to take baggage none of this free 15 or 20kg limit (not sure on the weight in pounds). You can pay that fee in advance online and it is cheaper, or you can pay it when you arrive for your flight and it is a bit more expensive.

Have a great trip.