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1. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Why do these subjects cause so many arguments?
Normally calm and friendly people become monsters.
Surely they are interesting subjects to explore?
Anybody got any suggestions, about why people find it difficult to discuss them calmly. ;)

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 27, 2007, at 2:45 AM by Mel. ]

2. Posted by Fun Bobby (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

The 2 should be kept separate. Politicians are meant to represent a constituency, and I doubt the entire voting population of any constituency is the same as the politican himself. What is best politically and what one politician believes and is morally obliged to do may be in conflict. I'm not a big believer in either.

3. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 9y

I think its cause they involve belief systems, and values, which people hold really dear. When peoples values conflict, its more than just a difference of opinion. It can become offensive.

Also people tend to dismiss other peoples points of views with insulting statements, like 'looney left' or 'right wing nutjob'. Theres not the same taboo about insulting another persons politics the way there is religion, so thats why political argument is often much less respectful.

4. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting HafJafMark

I think its cause they involve belief systems, and values, which people hold really dear. When peoples values conflict, its more than just a difference of opinion. It can become offensive.

I suppose, I know what u mean.;)

5. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting HafJafMark

Also people tend to dismiss other peoples points of views with insulting statements, like 'looney left' or 'right wing nutjob'. Theres not the same taboo about insulting another persons politics the way there is religion, so thats why political argument is often much less respectful.

I think sometimes when people call others names, like looney left, it is when they dont have a real opionion, to give, to the discussion. ;)

6. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Why do these subjects cause so many arguments?
Normally calm and friendly people become monsters.
Surely they are interesting subjects to explore?
Anybody got any suggestions, about why people find it difficult to discuss them calmly. ;)

Mel

I guess because religious leaders and politians are telling you what is best for you, without listening to you. Where politians at least can change their point of view (how difficult or painful it is), politians are normaly too conservative to even consider somebody else comments.

Another thing is that people want to make points too easy, and only use things, that are in their interest at that moment, without seeing the big picture.

7. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

Another thing is that people want to make points too easy, and only use things, that are in their interest at that moment, without seeing the big picture.

That is probably true.
Maybe people want to believe that something is true, and dont want to explore the grey areas around it. That would require a lot of patience. And also if others are getting aggressive and offended, it makes it harder, to have this patience. People quickly switch from exploring the issue, to defending themselves. ;)

8. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

I blame passion personally!

People get very passionate about both religion and politics which causes them to get very narrow-minded and not willing to accept others views or at least listen to them, which in turn as we are all aware can lead to rational folk becoming very irrational when arguing their view point!

Hope l made sense (personally l steer away from both topics a life of living in Northern Ireland has lead me to that as everyone knows the history of what religion and politics has lead to over here!)

Heather

9. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Religion and politics are two of the main ideologies that people use to define themselves in a societal way. Though many will state they are apolitical - it is still a statement about their political views. Others will say they are areligious which is, again, a statement about their religious views.

If you have be raised within a certan religious belief, no matter which belief that may be, you have strong feelings about the subject in general. I know, from my own background, that many are taught their religion is the "the best" or "most right" or "the only true one". Granted, there are many people who can have religious discussions and debates without letting their personal feelings interfere, but just as many can not. By debating with someone over religion, you are questioning their belief system - that which they embrace as a defining measure of personal self-worth and well-being. You are asking them to analyze their faith in something - namely God. In most religions, faith is not to be questioned but ultimately accepted because of it's nature: a belief that does not need to based on physical proof. Faith is securely tied to emotion and hence a very "touchy" subject. Yes, religion is an interesting subject to explore, but if you already have a faith in God, why would you want to explore anything outside what you deeply believe as true? You have the answers within your own religious beliefs. (It's a rhetorical question and answer.)

Politics- the grand master of all societies (outside of religion, of course)... Again, a defining piece of personal identity for many. Every county in the world has a political structure that defines them. That's not to say each member of a society agrees with the political views, but they are required to live within that structure as long as they choose to reside there. What tends to happen in a political discussion is not just a debate about policies, but generalizations begin to surface. An example: Someone says, "George Bush is stupid." (Okay, fair enough.) The next person says, "All Americans who voted for George Bush are stupid." (Maybe - maybe not.) The next statement is, "All Americans are stupid." (Hardly.) Do you see where I'm going with this?

Politics illicit very strong views because they define us through our country. If you don't like my country's politics - you don't like me and I will feel the need to defend "myself" against any insinuations of (pick one) bad behavior, insensitivity toward other countries, acts of war, sanctions, turning a blind eye, controlling the world, controlling the world bank, lying to the nation, cheating at Risk (the board game). Too often political discussion groups too many people into too small a group which tends to cause anger.

Finally, the media plays a large part in how people view politics and most of it is crap. Take one story, any story, and the information your recieve about it will be different than the information I will read which will be different than the information that Hien gets or Elnaz gets or Tina gets or James gets or... You see my point. None, and I truly mean none, of the stories will be completely factual as humans have written them and will place a certain amount of spin on them to satisfiy their viewers (no matter which medium it is - TV, radio, internet, newspapers, etc.). Ultimately - discussing anything politically-based is going to cause dissention among the ranks.

Isa steps down from the soapbox and sets it aside for the next person....

10. Posted by emma1979 (Full Member 126 posts) 9y

i am sick of religion and politics. they make me feel sick.

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