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51. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting HafJafMark


Mel

We are both anti war and pro human rights develpment around the world.

I think everyone you asked would say that. But often if you want to support human rights, war is neccessary.

I was just giving an example, of something political me and my boyfriend agree on. It was part of a description, of how we communicate about politics, on a whole and explaning how these discussions are useful.
I wasnt meaning to start a discussion about war, but I will comment anyway. I dont think war is necessary, in order to improve human rights. In fact, during war I think human rights conditions seem to deteriorate. ;)

Let me get this straight. You don't think war is necessary to improve human rights but you agree with your boyfriend that often war is necessary to support human rights??

52. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y


Pardus
Neither of us think it is worth having a war, for any reason, at all.
We consider war, to be wasteful, in every way.
I cant remember how I phrased what I said, but it sure seems to be giving the wrong impression.;)

53. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Pardus
I have just looked at the posts.
I think is was hafermark, who said, that war is necessary, to gain human rights.

54. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Pardus
I have just looked at the posts.
I think is was hafermark, who said, that war is necessary, to gain human rights.

Sorry, didn't read properly. That'll teach me to scan through posts...:(

55. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

56. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Why is it that the idiots are all so sure of themselves, yet the wise so full of doubt?

Amen

57. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Mel, here's an experiment:

Step 1: Ask your boyfriend his opinions on women's rights.

Step 2: Turn off "the tap" for a month.

Step 3: Ask your boyfriend his opinion on women's rights.

Step 4: Compare answers from Step 1 and Step 3.

58. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

James

Shut up!!!!!

59. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Shut up!!!!!

That's what I expect his answer to Step 3 to be

60. Posted by george1979 (Full Member 101 posts) 9y

Quoting emma1979

i am sick of religion and politics. they make me feel sick.

Ditto Emma! i think Many people in Scotland (especially the West of Scotland) are very fed up with religion. I suppose this may apply to lots of places aswell. I personally have what i would consider a healthy distrust and loathing of all organised religion. I have no problem with peoples personal choices but those should remain exactly that - personal.
I think this partly why these 2 subjects combined are so volatile. People should be free to do what they want within reason as long as they are not offending or hurting anyone. This is why we have secular societies - organised religion and politics do not mix and cannot be allowed to mix. Politicians should not be discussing their own personal religous beliefs as these have nothing to do with their jobs and are only mentioned in order to win votes. Once they win they then feel obliged and pressured into implementing ridiculous policies based on religous ideology which invariably affect many other people for the worse.
This is why i think a lot of people cannot discuss these topics calmly and rationally. Politicians have allowed these subjects (under pressure from powerful lobbyists and religous groups - most notably in the USA) to become entwined in what should be a secluar society thereby polarising opinion on both sides and basically driving a wedge between communities.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 29, 2007, at 2:40 PM by george1979 ]