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11. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Asey

I am surprised, there is no law, to overide the complaints, of those villagers. :(

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 4, 2007, at 9:07 AM by Mel. ]

12. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Quoting asey16

On the island I live on a company put a proposal forward to build a small wind farm (about 4 or 5 turbines) they were to be in the country and away from houses etc. but people from local villages complained and complained that it would change their way off life and planning permission was refused.
I'm sorry but when companies are trying to make clean energy it seems idiotic to me to stop them.

Don't feel alone Alex.....a company here has proposed a sizeable wind farm, hundreds of turbines, enough to power several nearby towns and most of the farms in the area. This area is mostly flat (glacial till) and the worst issue is the potential damage to birds of prey (they tend to hunt near windmills and go splat when they hit a rotating blade).

Many of the neighbors have signs posted in their yards "NO WIND FARMS" (at least they spelled it right), even though the farm will be 10 km away. Yet, they didn't seem to put up much of a fight when the nuclear power plant was built 15 years ago. Two giant cooling towers sticking up from the prairie......25 km away.

The concept of NIMBY (not in my back yard) seems to be universal.

Mel, why would there be a law to override the complaints of the people? Being stupid in the eyes of others is no reason to have one's rights infringed upon, and those villagers have the right to complain. This is what the concept of "voting" is all about....put a bill forth and allow the people to vote on it. You can't cram your ideas down their throats, any more than I can say "well, we NEED a new garbage landfill, so it's going next door to your house because I said so".

You have to gather support for ideas, lobby those opposed, gain the public trust. Or have the villagers come after you with torches and pitchforks......

13. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

Mel, why would there be a law to override the complaints of the people?

Because it looks like protecting the environment is becoming an emergency. If it is going to be too late, in just 20 years to save it, then there is no time, to wait for everybody to be won over to the idea of being environmentally friendly.

14. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

This area is mostly flat (glacial till) and the worst issue is the potential damage to birds of prey (they tend to hunt near windmills and go splat when they hit a rotating blade).

The turbines at Altamont Pass in California has the highest number of raptor kills in the US. The Center for Biological Diversity has set forth recommendations for making wind farms safer for the different species at Altamont.

CLEAN WIND ENERGY AT ALTAMONT PASS?
FACT SHEET ON ALTAMONT PASS BIRD KILLS

Wind Generators and Birds: Power Politics?

Energy chiefs ditch wind-farm plan to safeguard golden eagles (Scotland)

Isle of Wight Wind Farm

15. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

You propose forcing people to do as you see fit? Doesn't that strike you as somewhat totalitarian?

Perhaps being the example to follow is more human than being the example of force as any chimpanzee can rule by force.

16. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

I think more education is the answer personally. I think the everyday Joe just hears these words about "gobal warming" or "irreversible environmental damage" they just dont understand it.

I was talking to my colleagues about offseting my plane trips and they looked at me blankly - they have heard words bandied about but dont know what it means in plain and simple lanuage. In fact my work is holding later in the year an ENVIRONMENTAL month which will factor in carbon offsetting; renewable energy and to bringing recycle bins for employees to use and dispose of glass, tins etc. This will hopefully raise awareness to at least a few but hopefully start getting the employees talking.

I think if we are encouraged to get more involved - through our local councils or community groups - whether its simply ensuring we recycle (incentive based maybe?) changing to energy saving light bulbs; becoming more carbon efficent (like Mel said buses & public transport are usually readily available but most use cars).

Remember when it was encouraging drivers to wear seat belts it took a while to get the message through but now for many countries in the world its just the norm (l know there have been laws passed!).

But more education - in schools getting the kids on board will lead to parents and invariably bred a more environmental life style into everyday life.

17. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

What is carbon offsetting, Purdy?
I have never heard of it.

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 4, 2007, at 1:36 PM by Mel. ]

18. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Ok l apologise in advance for probably a very poor explaination:

We produce carbon emissions (which are a major factor in gobal warming) in every day life our home heating systems (that is why in the UK building regulations new heating systems must now be condensing systems which recycle the emissions from the system and produce less) our cars and also airplane travel being one of the worst. So to make up for the carbon we produce (ie we offset the damage) there are companies you can pay towards making up for the carbon produced. If you check out this website CLIMATE CARE it can give you an idea of perhaps your last flight cost and how much it can cost to pay to offset the carbon emissions produced.

The cash goes towards reforestation, helping toward 3rd world companies have more efficent stoves and so on but check out the website and you will find out so much more information!

Hope this helps!

19. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

What is carbon offsetting, Purdy?
I have never heard of it.

Carbon Offsetting
Q&A: Carbon offsetting

Carbon offsetting is calculating the cost of the emissions you have produced (airfare, car, etc.), then donating/paying that amount to a provider that plants trees, or does other environmentally "healthy" endeavors.

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Everyone is concerned about CO2 emissions and the ozone layer, but what about the impact on the environment from agriculture? I agree that the first two items are of great importance, but modern day agriculture is taking it's toll as well.

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 4, 2007, at 1:52 PM by Isadora ]

20. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Thanks Shahab

It is very scary.:(
It sometimes makes me think, I should not have had a child. Look at the world, I am leaving her in.

Too right. There should be laws against some people reproducing