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11. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

who gelli, which mod?

Absolutely no comment.

Maybe you should take your chances and hope you don't show up on YouTube.

Sadly it's too late for that, but i doubt i'll ever work out who the heck put it (something completely different) up there. Not one of my best moments, it's not, and god only (well, and the poster) knows where they got that footage

12. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

Absolutely no comment.

Ah, that is a shame!

13. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

I dont know, if this is going off topic, or not.
I joined this site, so I could have contact with other people who love to travel. I dont meet many of these in my conservative neighbourhood.
I dont know, if it is because of the moderators, too much emphasis on competing for status(budding member to travel guru), or other, but I generally feel that communication on the forums is very restrictive. I think travel chat, about topics posted, and not just hard information is also useful, to people wanting to visit particular countries. Although, it could also be that I am wrong, and it is not the moderators or the statuss, and members in general are only interested in information and not talking about travelling in various countries, in general.;)

On the topic, for sure.
I dont think getting a PM, saying my post is going to be deleted would make any difference. It would be annoying, whatever.

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 16, 2007, at 12:21 PM by Mel. ]

14. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

On the topic, for sure.
I dont think getting a PM, saying my post is going to be deleted would make any difference. It would be annoying, whatever.

Mel

But atleast there is some discussion in that case. but at the end its the member against the moderator. and the moderator has the power to delete. I would think that moderators can't be always objective. in that regard there is no freedom of opinion (also when u are not intending on posting someting to offend, because the moderator could be thinking in a different way (also depending on the culture and background of the moderator)).

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 16, 2007, at 12:28 PM by wouterrr ]

15. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4833 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

I dont know, if this is going off topic, or not.
I joined this site, so I could have contact with other people who love to travel. I dont meet many of these in my conservative neighbourhood.
I dont know, if it is because of the moderators, too much emphasis on competing for status(budding member to travel guru), or other, but I generally feel that communication on the forums is very restrictive. I think travel chat, about topics posted, and not just hard information is also useful, to people wanting to visit particular countries.

I think that's a topic that deserves its own thread, but my first reaction would be: travel is something I do, not something I (feel the need to) talk about.
Additionally I think a lot of the conversations that do happen, happen on the blogs, where they're out of sight.

That said, I do think there've been quite a few good threads with real conversation on travel-subjects - but they were still on the peripherals (I'm thinking of the threads with experiences on returning home, or (lack of) understanding from people back home on what you've seen, or ...).
The kind of thread you'd be looking for, I imagine, would be something in the vein of: "I remember sitting in this little cafe in Rome, two blocks from the piazzo della somethingitaliano. Anyone who's been there will know the flocks of tourgroups the pass by one street over, heading from the santa saintyperson-church to the sugarcake, but if you duck under this portculis in the middle of the street (right next to that little icecream shop), you find yourself on a tiny shaded plaza with fountain, an oasis of quietude, with pigeons so well fed they scare away the stray cats rather than the other way 'round, and locals swapping stories, and ne'er a tourist to be found. Anyway, I was sitting there, enjoying a tall laté, reminiscing on my recent travels, when ..." - and then the next person goes "oh, that's so recognizable. I had a similar experience when I was in ... - but what it really reminded me of was back when I was ..."

Did I get that right? :) If so, I think the reason that doesn't happen is because it doesn't happen. I'd suggest that to get it happening, all you need to do is to start a thread, and manage to hit just the right tone, and it could roll from there, just like that. Avoid giving any invitation of making it a "country/city x is better than country/city y" thread, and start with a long meandering post that actively invites people to jump in and share, and who knows?

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 16, 2007, at 12:40 PM by Sander ]

16. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Thanks Sander:)
That is exactly the type of conversation I speak of and conversations that are triggered, by a trip somebody comes looking for information about.
But sadly, I have lately become anxious to avoid accusations of post boosting etc, so steer away from my natural tendancies, to ask people what I would normally ask, about the trips they are doing. Like u said, I could start a whole new thread, for every conversation, but then the mood would be gone. Sometimes I just want to ask or have an exchange of a few posts, about something somebody said, in a thread. At least there is private mail. ;)

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 16, 2007, at 11:56 PM by Mel. ]

17. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

But sadly, I have lately become anxious to avoid accusations of post boosting etc, so steer away from my natural tendancies, to ask people what I would normally ask, about the trips they are doing.

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I'm sorry you feel that way Mel, but I think it's something specific to your way of posting that might have triggered other members to react like that. I've seen several cases where say 3 people posted something. Then you would come and post 3 separate posts asking a question back to each of those 3 people. I'm sure that's because that is the way you are most comfortable with posting and probably quoting others and it is probably the quickest way as well, but for other readers it can be extremely strange to read 3 posts in a row from the same person, all targetted back at another member and not necessarily relating to what the person that started the thread wanted an answer on in the first place. It also means threads get 'hijacked' very quickly.

I don't think at all you are doing this to boost post counting and I don't think any serious member really cares, or should care, about that stat to start with. Particularly because it's probably the first thing we will be changing when we start work on how member activity is measured on the site (in other words, it's a stat which will have really little to say in the future other than that a certain member has posted a lot) :)

18. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

is there communication between moderators whether a post should be deleted or not? or is it at the moderator itself to just delete a post that he/she personally doesn't like? in other words are moderators always objective?

Let me try my hand at answering this as well, even though it has already had plenty of good answers.

Firstly, it is worth pointing out that the moderators aren't really instructed to follow any strict procedure. We've been careful in selecting the moderators on the site and give them a level of trust to do what they think is best. We're confident that they are all aware of the rules (which are deliberately as simple as we could see possible) and realise the fine lines that some threads tread. When in doubt, they are encouraged to just leave it for either Sam or myself to take care of. Overall, I am incredibly pleased with the moderators' contribution in keeping this forum an inviting place while maintaining the standards set. I can't thank them enough for the hours they spend keeping this place as enjoyable as it is!!

On a personal note, I almost always PM the person whose post is being removed/edited, even if their spam was pretty clear cut. At least then they know they aren't being tolerated and hopefully won't try again. A lot of the time I get back responses just apologising for it. Sometimes I get responses from people who are irritated/outraged at how strict it is and other times (most times) I get absolutely no response. Some posts are obviously from repeat offenders (particularly a recent lot in the off topic forum) and I just ban those users immediately because the spam is so obvious.

The real tricky ones are the threads that seem to be above board, but in fact turn out to have ulterior motives. Sometimes they are pretending to ask a question, ie.. "What sites would you recommend" and then two days later they'll log on and post a link to their site under a different user name. These are much harder to find, but certainly not impossible and we come down hard when we find this is the case!

19. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

U are right Sam.
Yeah, posting several short posts seemed easier than creating a long one, and then accidentally losing it. ;)
And yes, it would be annoying, for the person who started the thread, if somebody keeps going off on subtopics. And it looks like I am doing it again, in this thread. Sorry Wouter!;)

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 17, 2007, at 12:41 AM by Mel. ]

20. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 9y

Since I read Isa's contribution to this interesting thread, there's one thing that keeps bugging me. It's about the part where she says that members who want to argue a dispute with a moderator on the open forum are asking for deletion.

Even though I'm sure that, with the excellent moderators we have (I mean that!), a situation like that is not very likely to occur, I'm definitely one of those members who rather argues his point in public, instead of having to resort to PM. Of course I also realise that this kind of communication would pollute the forum, which is probably the reason for Isa to say what she said, but still I think that an open policy towards disputes between mods and members would benefit the site. The big obvious problem then becomes which disputes are 'important' enough for such public settling, and which are the cases where a mod is just 'right', but that's of later concern...

I was wondering what mods and admins think about this.

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 17, 2007, at 1:04 AM by bentivogli ]