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11. Posted by starlight2 (Full Member 108 posts) 9y

The thing is I like never see my cousins even though we live sort of close [hour away] I only see them at family events ... so possibly I'll see them in June or something for my cousins [not them] birthday.

I doubt she'd know when someone was making fun of her though since she knows no arabic ... but if someone like made a gesture at her or stares or anything she'd probably tell them to fuck off ... which yeah is pretty dangerous but I know how she feels since I probably in the moment would do the same thing i]difference is I am not going to SA[/i. Personally I wouldn't go to any countries like that in fear of road side bombs or the guys who throw acid on your face if you won't date them. Personally I COULDN'T let a man look down on me w/o punching them in the fucking face ... so I just wouldn't put myself in that sitution.

The thing is they are just going knowing nothing about the middle east ... and the sad part is they really only want to see their father with no other obsticles in their way .... my cousins get their independence I am SURE from my aunt since my aunt is the same way and has punched a few men in the US actually for whistleing at her or something [as a teen]. Their mother even beat up some guys because they were picking on my two uncles when they were young. >.<

12. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Excuse the bluntness.
But, I think u and your aunt should cool off.
Punching people will not bring about social change.
Although, I do sympathise with the feelings u have.
Coping with sexism is frustrating, and of course it makes u angry. Remember, that all discrimination stems from greed. The lies that cause discrimination are not a true reflection of the groups, who are discriminated against.
But dont let it stop u visiting any countries, in the world, which are reasonably safe. There is more to every country, than politics. Also, by just being there, u will expose people to other ways of thinking. When I am in those countries, I never talk about politics, or feminism, I just talk about myself and my life. I think that alone introduces the information to the local women, that they are being suppressed. Keep in mind, that it was just as bad, for women here in the West, not too long ago. Check out laws from 1800s.;)

When u see your cousins, in June, encourage them to learn more about Saudi culture etc. With any luck, they may be persuaded, to refuse to go to Saudi, with your aunt. Although, I think whatever u do will be interpreted by your aunt, as interfering and wont make u popular with her. ;)

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 19, 2007, at 12:09 AM by Mel. ]

13. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

If Gandalf can send two halfings into Mordor, what's wrong with sending 3 teenage girls into primitive Wahhabist Saudi Arabia?

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 19, 2007, at 8:39 AM by wotthefiqh ]

14. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting wotthefiqh

If Gandalf can send two halfings into Mordor, what's wrong with sending 3 teenage girls into primitive Wahhabist Saudi Arabia?

these 3 teenage girls will have fun in saudi
salafists for all and ever!!!
try to not get killed if u walk around in mini!

15. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Ah guys
Starlight is seriously worried, about her cousins.
Not a good thread, to make jokes on.;)

16. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

I have read posts in the past 6 months by members who intended backpacking through Afghanistan or Iraq.
They were adults with presumably 2 brain cells to rub together so they could read about and understand the culture and societies they were intending to negotiate.
If a mother intends sending her young teenage daughters from 21st century modernity to 7th century barbarism then SHE may be guilty of handing them into human bondage and slavery.
We can all make stupid ADULT choices, but putting your own children at such a risk is a criminal offence in my opinion.
If he wishes to see the girls, he MUST only see them in the USA, not in any ME country.
The Saudi border is probably a 30 minute drive from Dubai.

17. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 9y

I think that Saudi Arabia would be a an unpleasant place to visit, Starlight, if your relatives are likely to behave in the way you suggest they are. Visiting strict Arabic countries demands adopting a certain level of acknowledgement of cultural relativism for most Western tourists, and Saudi Arabia is known for being the strictest example. Hopefully they'll be refused visas and that will sort out the problem!

I dont think most visitors to Saudi Arabia find it as difficult or as 'primitive' as some respondents to this post suggest though, just that it would demand a certain level of planning, understanding and patience for most of us.

18. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

I agree Wotthefigh.
I was actually wondering already, if it is an actual criminal offence, and if there is an actual law, in the US, against parents putting their children, unreasonable at risk. And would this law cover incidents such as this woman wanting to take her daughters to Saudi.

I dont think they will be refused visas. The mother is married to a guy who lives in Saudi. Wouldnt this mean, that his family can get visas, to visit him?

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 19, 2007, at 10:53 AM by Mel. ]

19. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 9y

Oh yeah, probably - I didn't quite follow exactly what the relationships were!! Teach me not read a post properly..

20. Posted by starlight2 (Full Member 108 posts) 9y

mel - sadly it's not even that they are going with my aunt. they are going alone.

magykal1 - they are only going for like 2 weeks - 1 month .. they won't be getting visas unless you need a visa to visit SA at all ... in that case idk even if because my aunt is still married to my uncle.

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 20, 2007, at 5:32 PM by starlight2 ]