A friend and I are traveling to Europe starting in Dublin and have about 33 days. We plan on spending about a week between Dublin and London. Is this enough time? We would like to see the following cities but believe it is definitely too much to fit in.
1. Dublin (Inbound flight)
11.Paris (our outbound flight leaves from here)
We would like to make a loop once we hit the mainland starting in Amsterdam or Malmo, then train east, then south, then west eventually ending up in paris. Any suggestions on that?
Any suggestions on what we should Skip? Maybe a city to add in place of another? We believe we will have to cut out at least 4 cities to have ample time and not spend our entire trip on a plane.
Also does anyone know the best way to get to Malmo, Sweden
We will be traveling mostly by rail during the trip, backpacking, hostels.
You sure are trying to cram a lot in and way too much. Rome along deserves about 5 days minimum and that's if you timed it right. Barcelona is worth 4 days minimum and Madrid deserves 3-4 or maybe more depending on your interests. London is a great city and well you could spend a good 4-5 days there too.
Don't cut out London, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid or Paris (seeing you fly out of there), but any of the others I'd be more than happy to cut out to allow great time in Rome and Barcelona. Depending on your interests, you could cut most the others out and see a bit more of Italy other than just Rome, because it is such a beautiful country with soooo much to see and do. I was walking for 14 hours, 14 hours and 12 hours over the course of 3 days on my first trip to Rome and I didn't come close to seeing everything worth seeing. If you are planning on taking the train most the time, you'll spend ages on the train, so where you can I'd try to maximise your daylight hours in places ie leaving very early to arrive by 09.00 or leaving late so you can at least make the most out of the day in one of the places.
Have a great trip.
[ Edit: Edited on Apr 23, 2007, at 11:11 PM by aharrold45 ]
there's nothing to see in malmö! put berlin instead!!
you may add brugge in belgium and venice in italy to that for as one day trips. I don't know anything about interlaken.
barcelona is much better than madrid as far as I've learned in my opinion no need to go both of them. vienna would be a good decision as well.
As Malmö is on your list but also way offroute, I presume, you need to go there for a reason. I think the best way to get there is to fly into Copenhagen, and then take the train to Malmö. (if I am not mistaken you can take a train from the airport in Copenhagen to Malmö, so there should be no need to get to Copenhagen first. (if you have some time to see Copenhagen, then do) Try Sterling and Transavia, and see which offers the best offers on the route from Amsterdam and Copenhagen. If you don't have to go there I would also skip Malmö.
I agree with stuthkfl, as far as the towns he suggests, but in my opinion the days you have are already short to complete the itinerary, the way it is now. Also Barcelona offers what Madrid misses, and Madrid offers what Barcelona misses, so I think you should keep both. (and in my opinion Madrid is better, but I am biased on that call)
These are the days I would spend in the cities, this is without the time you need to get there. (of course this also depends on daytrips):
1. Dublin 3 days (expect the first day to have jetlag)
2. London 4-5 days
3. Amsterdam 2-3 days
4. Malmo 2 days
5. Prague 3 days
6. Munich 2-4 days (2 for the city, 1 for Dachau, 1 for the Castles)
7. Interlaken 2-3 days
8. Rome 5 days
9. Barcelona 3 days
10. Madrid 3 days (1 for a daytrip to Toledo)
11. Paris 4-5 days
Interlaken takes long trips by train to get there, if you would like to see something of the Alps, then consider Innsbruck, as it is on route between Munich and Rome, but to get the best out of the available time, I would suggest a flight be Munich and Rome. For flight within Spain, check Vueling Airlines, Air Europa, Clickair, Spanair and Iberia. But also nighttrains might be a consideration, provided you can sleep on them. If you really want to this by train, then check www.bahn.de (and got to international guests, for the english version) to see the time you need to reach places. If you still want to go by train.
Between Rome and Barcelona, check a flight by Vueling Airlines, as the train take way too long to even consider.
Personaly I would keep Dublin, London and Amsterdam, and then head South to Spain and Italy, and it you can find the time add a city like Florence and/or Venice. This way you have the cities closer together, so you spend less time traveling, and have more time to do the sightseeing, you are coming for.
I am not sure, which status Malmö has in your initerary (is it a must-see?), then I suggest flying Malmö to Madrid, and reverse the last part so go Madrid - Barcelona - (flight to) Rome - maybe some other cities - (flight to) Paris. (don't use ryanair for this bit)
I think Herr Bert's advice is good, realistically Rome and Malmo would have to be flown to. If you're looking to cut places out, I've been to Malmo and Interlaken and whilst I enjoy Interlaken in particular there is not a great deal to do in the town which would make it a must see. If you go there it's either to see the scenery in the Lauterbrunnen Valley or to do some of the outdoor activities on offer, but both of these require some time. You can also do these things elsewhere which might not be as spectacular but can be a lot more practical.
To me it seems that the first and last parts of your trip would have to stay (Dublin-London and Madrid-Barcelona-Paris) so if you're cutting 4 cities it would be in the middle. If it's me, I cut Prague, Munich, Interlaken and Malmo from your itinerary and see a larger portion of Italy, or I cut Rome and see Switzerland/Munich/Austria and the Alps properly. It seems hard to fit both of these in and Spain/the UK.
Thank ALL OF YOU SO MUCH for your help. Malmo is on the itnerary because a friend lives there. Im trying to get him to meet us in Germany possibly Berlin. We will probably cut out at least 2-3 cities, and possibly fly from Rome to Barcelona to save time. I think we will cut Interlaken(I heard it's beautiful and is one of the only places you can sky dive from a heli, but it cost $400) My friend just came back from Madrid so that is probably going to be cut along with Malmo. Any more advise is greatly appreciated Thanks Again.
I must say that Interlaken was one of my favorite parts of Europe. I actually spent most of my time in the small mountain town of Gimmelwald (about 5 miles up the valley from Interlaken). I went there for one night and stayed for 4. A truly great time!
So, I would keep Interlaken on the list and definitly make it to the mountian hostel in Gimmelwald.
Thanks for all the initial advice. My fiends and I decided to whirl-wind trip around Europe that took us through the following cities.:
It ended up being very stressful, but absolutely amazing. We got a good sense of each city, minus Brussells. We pretty much would walk for about 8 hours a day in each city taking in all the major sites. Can't wait to go back for Europe, but I will probably focus my effort on 2-3 destinations over a 10-12 day period. It was a great continent!!!