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11. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

Oh well...maybe a few rabbits...;)

so many words. but this is ur opinion. very good micheal. next time don't talk so much and come to the point immidiately;)

12. Posted by Mr Gee (Budding Member 91 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

I don't like the question, not because of the rabbits, but because it focuses the attention off of the problem.

wouterrr, you take the position that since it is for the betterment of the world the machine should be used. This just leaves humans to continue with their current lifestyles at the cost of million of baby bunnies... what happens when we run out of baby bunnies?

I propose a new machine... sadly it won't have the same teleportation techniques, but it will cut carbon emissions exponentialy. As more are thrown into the machine less carbon is produced by those people... there will be some carbon offset because we are made up of carbon, but we could then use the bunny machine for that.

As an added bonus, the machine also outputs flavourful green crackers we can sell in Wal*Mart.

without trying to sound too bleak, i don't really think the human race can stop its carbon emissions now, we've become too comfortable and too reliant on convienience..... there's only one solution........

stoke up that fire....


13. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

From a selfish, and a human point of view, point of view, definitely not.

Yes, saving the planet is very important and I want to help all I can, but I don't want any moron in the world to suddenly be able to teleport into wherever they want to. That kills tourism/travelling completely. Places get overwhelmed. You could go to somewhere like Angkor Wat (with 10,000,000 others) for an hour to watch sunset then return home to your own bed etc. Somewhere like Pitcairn would suddenly be hugely accessible and overrun by daytripers.

And besides. It wouldn't save the planet,. It would actually make things much, much worse. It would be utter world chaos on an incomprehensible level. Think about it.

You'd have 500,000+ people all teleporting inside Fort Knox to try and steal the gold, let alone anything else. Nothing would be safe. You could teleport in and steal Nuculear weapons, just like that, and then teleport somewhere else, leave it to explode in 5seconds, and still be safely on the otherside of the world when it went off. Prisons and law would be irrelevant. How the feck do you catch a murderer in London who is only at the scene for 3seconds, leaves no trace except a bullet wound, having come from Tokyo, dumped the gun somewhere in Alaska and being in Buenos Aires barely 10seconds after leaving Japan? a
And Plunder (and to please Phil, Rape and Pilage) would be enormous.

The entire tourism/travel/transport (including production, maintenance, all associated businesses)/logistic/ and many, many other businesses (immigration offices, for example, and Prison systems, most IT systems) would collapse entirely, overnight. Perhaps as much as 50% (or more) of the WORLDS population would suddenly be unemployed, just like that. The World basically becomes a warzone and would destroity itself very, very quickly.

And much more trivially and personally, I like to TRAVEL. The journey for me is often at least as interesting/fun/noteworthy as the palce i'm going (and, in my case, I rarely know where i'm actually going when I leave anyway. It just happens).

Being able to go to places and see them just like that without any effort or journey would be mortifying to me, for many reasons.

  • I'm, assuming here free access for everybody to the machines, as that is the only thing that logically makes sense to cut that amount of carbon emissions. I'm also ignoring the likely 20-30+year construction/testing/roll out period.
14. Posted by beavis (Budding Member 177 posts) 9y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beavis

I would have before yep... But since Easter I have changed my View on Bunnies...

the easter bunny doesn't really excist....sorry to say but it is the truth. sorry if I made u sad

I will have to disagree there... I cant go into detail, but I KNOW the Easter Bunny excists

15. Posted by sarahd (Budding Member 96 posts) 9y

Nope you can't do that to the bunnies. The world would be a much worse place without rabbits

16. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

if the bunnies are not used for this solution to save the planet, then they die anyways (together with us). how many bunnies represent one human being, I ask once again!

17. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

  • I'm, assuming here free access for everybody to the machines, as that is the only thing that logically makes sense to cut that amount of carbon emissions. I'm also ignoring the likely 20-30+year construction/testing/roll out period.

was it a technical question or a moral one!

18. Posted by Mr Gee (Budding Member 91 posts) 9y

Gelli, I'm not sure 50% of the world would be unemployed, as it would make commute times minimal AND would allow people in developing countries work elsewhere in the world, food would be cheaper because it wouldn't need transporting, and tourism would be more accessible to people who couldn't ordinarily afford it, places may get flooded with people, but if it was busy just teleport somewhere else for awhile, by a secluded lake or the top of a mountain....

one point you mentioned has stumped me though, how would you stop criminals taking advantage of the technology?

19. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

So your boyfriend is a baby dragon;)

He says, certainly not.
But I think he does not want to be roped into helping with Mr Gees machine.;)

Geli, I am surprised u agree, with aeroplane travel, given your list of problems that all forms of convenience brings. All those horse and coach drivers out of business, and people being able to fly out of countries, just like that, after doing f"ck knows what, and the difficulties of catching them, with air travel being so fast and efficient. Not to mention, that people now fly accross the world, instead of walking and swimming. No surprise that so many people in the modern world are so flabby.
Anyway, dont be pain. Let us have the teleporting machine, fueled by lawyers, and u can continue to get around in an old fashioned tedious way. ;)

[ Edit: Edited on May 1, 2007, at 6:11 AM by Mel. ]

20. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

what happens when we run out of baby bunnies?

Kittens. Actually, I think we should start with the kittens.