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41. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Quoting Mr Gee

i was thinking that it would be used as an alternative to most forms of travel really, boats, cars, freight trains, lorries.... with everything else, it'd clock up to a pretty high percentage i guess

So you would teleport yourself to your desk at work?

Ok, then yes, a revised estimate would be significantly higher, probably around 50% .. well obviously assuming this teleporter emits no carbon of its own, which seems unlikely ;)

42. Posted by Mr Gee (Budding Member 91 posts) 9y

Gelli, i think you may be getting bogged down with the practicalities of this 'machine', rather than the thinking about the morality of killing cute rabbits for technological evolution.
so, in answer to your last question 'could we kill them by a strange solar hydro-powered device?'

sure, kill them however you want, do it with your hands if it makes it easier to comprehend! hahaha! so, would you do it?

43. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

And I have to ask again:
Mel - what makes you think I agree with airplane travel?!

what is this for a question. why would u agree or not agree with some sorts of transport? thank god we have planes. i would not like to make tiring overland trips all the time. maybe once but not all the time.;)

44. Posted by Mr Gee (Budding Member 91 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

[quote=Mr Gee]i was thinking that it would be used as an alternative to most forms of travel really, boats, cars, freight trains, lorries.... with everything else, it'd clock up to a pretty high percentage i guess

So you would teleport yourself to your desk at work?

Hahaha mate, it'd be one of the FIRST things i did!!

45. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Mr Gee, stop yaking and get that machine sorted.
I have already bought my plane ticket for Thailand, but it would be cool, if your machine is ready, to get me to Iran, next Autumn.

46. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

I think drowning the bunnies would be best or perhaps just burying them alive - that way they might actually help some trees grow as well. I never liked rabbits anyway.. they are a pest in Australia!

I'm not so sure about teleporting TO work.. maybe out of work, but I actually quite enjoy my bike ride into the office :)

I can just imagine the traffic jams in front of the teleporting machine at 5 o'clock. Not to mention the frustration when the darn thing breaks down again for the 15th time that month And of course it would be very frustrating being stuck in a flaky teleporter not knowing if it will actually take you to the right place..

47. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mr Gee

Gelli, i think you may be getting bogged down with the practicalities of this 'machine', rather than the thinking about the morality of killing cute rabbits for technological evolution

Therein lies the problem. The cuteness of the bunnies shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not you want to sacrifice them for the greater good of easy transportation. What if you had to sacrifice 10 fire ants to teleport to India? Or 4 dung beeltes to blink off to London? I wonder if people would still think of this as a moral dilemma.

On a related note, that's what bothers me so much about all the seal hunt protests. You don't see the McCartney's lying on the Amazon floor getting bitten from head to toe to save the three-toed sloth.

48. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

what is this for a question. why would u agree or not agree with some sorts of transport?

Wouterrr - see Mel's post, erm, #19?
If i'm reading it right, is Mel not implying that i agree with air travel? And if she is, i'm honestly curious where she got that idea from!

And as to why would you agree or not agree with some sorts of transport, is that not actually what this very topic is about???

Gelli, i think you may be getting bogged down with the practicalities of this 'machine', rather than the thinking about the morality of killing cute rabbits for technological evolution.

Ah, yes, but then again, the devil is always in the details.

By the same token, i think your looking at it from far too simplistic point of view. Basically, Bunny rabbits v carbon emitting transport, whilst ignoring all other complications/practicalities/consequences etc

You can't ask a question like you did without expecting somebody (ok, without expecting me) to look at it in detail and not on the very narrow question you asked. I know you want a simple yes/no answer, but it's a very complex issue with lots of consequences!

Therein lies the problem. The cuteness of the bunnies shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not you want to sacrifice them for the greater good of easy transportation. What if you had to sacrifice 10 fire ants to teleport to India? Or 4 dung beeltes to blink off to London? I wonder if people would still think of this as a moral dilemma.

I agree completely. For some people, Rabbits are cute. They will likely say no. For others, bunny rabbits are not at all cute and are a pest (see Peter's answer) - They will likely say yes. But cuteness shouldn't really be relevant.

How about If i say that we should spare the cute bunny rabbits, but kill the ugly bunny rabbits. Does that help?

sure, kill them however you want, do it with your hands if it makes it easier to comprehend! hahaha! so, would you do it

For the record, if it is helpful for the environment, I have no problem killing any kind of sustainable "thing" and using it for non polluting fuel. Whether that be lawyers, rabbits, ants, trees or anything else. I WOULD have a serious problem using bunny rabbits (cute, average or downright ugly) if the Bunny rabbits were being hunted down and made extinct by the process.

If they were essentially farmed for it, and it makes a big environmental saving, that's ok with me.

Well, providing there are a few left over for me to make Rabbit stew, anyway!

Must admit, i'm enjoying this thread

49. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

If i'm reading it right, is Mel not implying that i agree with air travel? And if she is, i'm honestly curious where she got that idea from!

What??
Do u not agree, with air travel either?
Maybe u should be teleported back, to the stone age, where u would not have to tolerate any modern conveniences, at all. ;)

50. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

What??
Do u not agree, with air travel either?

If I agreed with airplanes, do you not think I'd use them, at least occassionally....?

In fairness, i'm not entirely anti-plane. I can see how useful they are and that they offer options/benefits to see and do so much more than was previously possible. And they make the world much smaller (not sure if that's a good thing) and huge economic benefits to many people and places

But they do contribute to wrecking allot of previously unspoilt places, due to sudden influxes of people (on small to vast scales), and also the joys and adventure of travelling, as such, are removed.

It's easily possible to go to the other side of a continent (and in cases, the world) with likeminded people of the same nationality, spend all your time with likeminded people of the same nationality, drink in establishments like at home, eat the same food at home, and basically have no or only minimal contact with the "foreign" place you have visited, and no contact/experience at all with the places you pass over. I understand why people do it, but I find it kind of sad.

I suppose, actually, that i don't really have a problem with planes as such, providing I'm not ever expected to use one

[ Edit: Edited on May 3, 2007, at 9:06 AM by Gelli ]