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21. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Reminds me of Wag the Dog !! Have you seen it ? Love that movie. "the old shoe".....

Wag the Dog was great!!! (Though I would have had a different ending... But, that's just me.)

Isa now returns this thread to it's originally scheduled topic and goes off to contemplate fear and loathing... Oh wait, that's a different movie altogether. Okay, fear and fascination - got it.

22. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Crime is one of those "not in my backyard" topics. People love to hear about it, read about it, tell horror stories about it - yet they want to protect themselves from ever being a victim of crime.

People are also drawn to the stories that crime creates. Like Sherlock Holmes and how he uncovers the details of a crime - it's fascinating to play detective and pick up on the clues. It's powerful to follow a trail and outwit the thieves. On the flip side, we're also fascinated by how notorious criminals got away with their crimes, or how someone rich and famous got their comeuppance by being a victim of crime. It rebalances the world to see the good guys - be they the victims or the criminals - win.

Ironically, protecting yorself from crime involves investing a lot of time thinking like a criminal: how can they get in the house, how many alarm contacts should I install, do I keep a big vase near the bed? A bat? A gun? Is my neighbour looking at what I have in the house? If I tape this string here will I catch the painters going through my drawers...? (OK, maybe the last one is just me... ;) )

23. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

The Old shoe

... Wag the Dog is a briljant movie.

As far a fascination for crime, you just have to see the number of movies that are made about the Maffia (Godfather, Scarface, Donnie Brasco, Bugsy), or perfect Robberies (Ocean's 11, The great train robbery) to see, that the Hollywood portrayal of organised crime, has a lot of people fascinated.

24. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Open university, eh. I've heard about them. How's that working ?

Really well thanks, enjoying it a lot. Got to be really disciplined though, it's very easy to start taking breaks when you shouldn't. There's always a reason for "not tonight" . . .

25. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting emma1979

Quoting mikeyBoab

Quoting emma1979

hey Mikey,

you could maybe look into how the medja/government like to keep people in a state of fear as it fuels consumerism. that's a totally bland statement i just made but there is some scope there...;)

I dunno . . . not sure if I agree with that. Not that it's necessarily wrong I just don't see how such an argument could be constructed.

I mean things like what Michael Moore was demonstrating in one of his documentaries about how the news in america were broacasting about killer bees and stuff and the whole organic fruit thing. There was a news story here a couple of years ago also about how apples can give you cancer except organic apples (which are much higher priced) which in my opinion is bullshit. Fear and consumerism are very closely linked.

Yeah but come on! No disrespect to the guy but Michael Moore was at one time the biggest source of media-driven fear in the world!

There is no doubting that fear and consumerism are closely linked but I'm not sure that it's relevant to the topic of crime. Or am I missing the point?

[ Edit: Edited on May 16, 2007, at 5:19 AM by mikeyBoab ]

26. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting clarife

I love watching a film about really intelligent criminals

We touched on this at our last tutorial . . . the concept of the "gentleman thief" ie the criminal that the audience sympathise with, the criminal who is in effect the hero.

For example, I loved Ocean's Eleven (the recent one, not the classis, there, I said it!) which was exactly that.

Why? And why did I (and probably most people) want the thieves (the good ones, not the bad ones) to get away with it? They were, after all, committing a crime . . .

27. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

The Italian Job - thats another movie where we are all rooting for the "baddies" - although l wouldnt necessarily call them intelligent criminals.

Crime does fascinate people though - all thoses books on serial killers or movies made out of their life stories, even as far as monthly magazines. The fact that even cop shows are so popular (look at The Bill in UK) shows the publics fascination with crime.

Dont actually know where l am going with this - lm in agreement with the discussion topic though!

So whats your degree in Michael?

H

28. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Politics, Philosophy and Economics.

Interesting note about the cop shows being so popular - the UK TV listings for the five terrestrial channels had (between them) no fewer than eight programs that were based on crime after 6pm . . .

29. Posted by Fun Bobby (Budding Member 115 posts) 9y

Another good film for wanting the 'gentleman thief' to get away with it is The Thomas Crown Affair, and another remake come to think of it!! But he puts the painting back so he just borrows stuff rather than steal it.

Also, you may want to discuss the so called 'victimless crimes'.

30. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

crime is fascinating because in you are fearing it. for example the shooting at virginia university. the child abuse of the "children of god" cult. beheading of village people that are against taliban in Afghanistan. Janjawid that rapes and kills like animals in Darfur. Its all crime and scarry. its horror. its evil. we want to know what brings people to these kind of crimes. we want to know because that would bring our fear down.