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11. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

One presumably can go up to these women and introduce them to the Sharia ways in a nice friendly way. Is it not the responsibility of those in the knowing to teach those that don't know ?


This post is tickling me. I would think the same about somebody introducing the Sharia in a nice friendly way, as I would about the Johovas Witnesses or the born again Christians who go around introducing things, in a friendly way.

Personally, I do not go into churches or temples, because I am not a religious person and I consider those places to be private. I certainly would not go screeching around them taking photos. I view people who behave like that in the same light as I view the loud American tourists in Rome, that just have to shout about the place, that they have bigger coleseums back home. They are annoying, rather than disrespectful.

As for religious folk demanding respect, in the form of religious repression. Why do the people who deserve respect the least, demand it the most? I think religious repression is probably the most difficult repression to uproot in society, because people accept things in the name of religion, that would not be accepted in many societies anymore. For example, how would people react, if they were told in Germany, that women cant enter hospitals, without their hair covered, because it is disrespectful to the medical staff?

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 12:01 AM by Mel. ]

12. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Mel, if you "do not go into churches or temples, because I am not a religious person" then don't worry about it.

If you don't want to respect a religous person or a person of the cloth, then don't. I'm sure they'll survive.

You obviously won't be visiting the Vatican and other famous religous landmarks on your upcoming trip to Rome. A pity really, but if you feel so strongly about religous repression then I guess it's your loss.

It appears that you have too much spare time on your hands at the moment. I hope that's what it is.

13. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Mel, if you "do not go into churches or temples, because I am not a religious person" then don't worry about it.

James, just because I dont do something myself, it does not mean that I am not concerned about its effect on society. There are a lot of things i dont do. I dont sell my body. i dont mainline heroine, or take any illegal drugs for that matter. I dont murder. There is a long list of things I dont do myself, but am still concerned about their effects on society.

14. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Although technically, the Islamic Sharia does not aplly in Turkey, the fact that some women don't wear headcovers is surely a matter of disrespect.
Unfortunately, Istanbul is probably one of those places in the Islamic world where this occurs most and can occur more easily, because of the somehow more flexible rules regarding Islam in Turkey/Istanbul, and because of the cheap tickets from the rest of Europe to Istanbul, which ensures lots of 'dumb and ignorant' people visiting this city. Believe, I have been there 3 times now, and I won't go back anymore just because it has become to touristy.
I am sure, these things won't happen in let's say Tripoli, Teheran or Damascus.
I can only hope the ingorance of some people will be demolished proparly....although that actually means there will only be about 2 or 3 billion people left in the world, which means my job will loose significance.;)

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 3:09 AM by Utrecht ]

15. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

I am sure, these things won't happen in let's say Tripoli, Teheran or Damascus.

I have not read anything, about Damascus or Tripoli, but this "disrespect" by women would certainly not be tolerated in Teheran. "Badly behaved women" who leave their houses(let alone go into mosques) without a headscarf would earn a public flogging. They are more "lenient", with foreign women. They usually deport those. I am very glad, that this "disrespectful" behaviour by women is not a crime, in Europe.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 3:20 AM by Mel. ]

16. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

This post is tickling me. I would think the same about somebody introducing the Sharia in a nice friendly way, as I would about the Johovas Witnesses or the born again Christians who go around introducing things, in a friendly way.

Personally, I do not go into churches or temples, because I am not a religious person and I consider those places to be private. I certainly would not go screeching around them taking photos. I view people who behave like that in the same light as I view the loud American tourists in Rome, that just have to shout about the place, that they have bigger coleseums back home. They are annoying, rather than disrespectful.

As for religious folk demanding respect, in the form of religious repression. Why do the people who deserve respect the least, demand it the most? I think religious repression is probably the most difficult repression to uproot in society, because people accept things in the name of religion, that would not be accepted in many societies anymore. For example, how would people react, if they were told in Germany, that women cant enter hospitals, without their hair covered, because it is disrespectful to the medical staff?

And you wonder why Islamic and other religious people demand respect ?!?!

17. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

And you wonder why Islamic and other religious people demand respect ?!?!

Well, yes. What makes them entitled to make up rules(or hold onto illogical rules, that their predecessors made up), that make some people more worthy of peace, freedom and wealth, than others?

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 7:19 AM by Mel. ]

18. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

And you wonder why Islamic and other religious people demand respect ?!?!

Well, yes. What makes them entitled to make up rules(or hold onto illogical rules, that their predecessors made up), that make some people more worthy of peace, freedom and wealth, than others?

And what makes you entitled to say otherwise ?

19. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

And you wonder why Islamic and other religious people demand respect ?!?!

Well, yes. What makes them entitled to make up rules(or hold onto illogical rules, that their predecessors made up), that make some people more worthy of peace, freedom and wealth, than others?

And what makes you entitled to say otherwise ?

U think, I am not entitled to say that people should not be subjected to rules that put certain groups of people at a disadvantage and make them less worthy of peace, freedom and wealth, than others?
Surely u agree that all groups are equal and entitled to the same rights and opportunites, in this world?
Of course, not everybody agrees on this and maybe u are one of those who dont?.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 7:45 AM by Mel. ]

20. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

And you wonder why Islamic and other religious people demand respect ?!?!

Well, yes. What makes them entitled to make up rules(or hold onto illogical rules, that their predecessors made up), that make some people more worthy of peace, freedom and wealth, than others?

And what makes you entitled to say otherwise ?

U think, I am not entitled to say that people should not be subjected to rules that put certain groups of people at a disadvantage and make them less worthy of peace, freedom and wealth, than others?
Surely u agree that all groups are equal and entitled to the same rights and opportunites, in this world?
Of course, not everybody agrees on this and maybe u are one of those who dont?.

That depends on if you actually want people to do what you suggest. Anyone can say anything they like, I agree. But don't be surprised if people ignore you. It's a free world, and all too often I think people forget there's free listening as well as free speech. Or did you not want people to actually do any of the things you suggest ? Getting people to listen is a heck of a lot different.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 8:15 AM by Q' ]

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