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21. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Q

U are right, people can listen to what they want to listen to. At least they can, when what they want to listen to is available.
But u are wrong, about it being a free world. U and I are lucky enough to live in democratic countries, where we enjoy a high degree of freedom. I think u know, that it is not the same in all countries.
Anyway, to connect this to the topic.
And I am choosing a country randomly, to demonstrate how religion has effectively been used, to deny human rights.
The Iranian government refused to sign human rights doccuments, agreeing to adjust their constitution, to give women their human rights in Iran. They quoted a part of the Koran, as their reason for not signing the doccuments. Apparentely it is anti islam, for women to have the same rights by law, as men do. Most Iranians say, that they do not agree with their government, and want more freedom. I hope this freedom they want, includes equal rights for women.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 8:57 AM by Mel. ]

22. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Q

U are right, people can listen to what they want to listen to. At least they can, when what they want to listen to is available.
But u are wrong, about it being a free world. U and I are lucky enough to live in democratic countries, where we enjoy a high degree of freedom. I think u know, that it is not the same in all countries.
Anyway, to connect this to the topic.
And I am choosing a country randomly, to demonstrate how religion has effectively been used, to deny human rights.
The Iranian government refused to sign human rights doccuments, agreeing to adjust their constitution, to give women their human rights in Iran. They quoted a part of the Koran, as their reason for not signing the doccuments. Apparentely it is anti islam, for women to have the same rights by law, as men do. Most Iranians say, that they do not agree with their government, and want more freedom. I hope this freedom they want, includes equal rights for women.

Mel,

Again, please stay on topic. You're straying too far off.

23. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

That's all well and good, but once again, it is not related to the topic. The topic is discussing the behavior of tourists and respecting other cultures - not the Iranian government's refusal to sign a document concerning women's rights. Considering you have just been discussing Iran in the Photography Forum, I find your random choice of countries far from random... Bring it back to topic.

24. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

But u are wrong, about it being a free world. U and I are lucky enough to live in democratic countries, where we enjoy a high degree of freedom. I think u know, that it is not the same in all countries.

Democracy does not equate freedom. If you believe that, then my opinion is that you don't really understand what freedom is. What a government decides to do does not have much bearing on individual choices and freedoms. Don't confuse the two. The people of Iran, or any country for that matter, is as free as the western world in that sense. How people choose to use that freedom is my point here.

A woman can, in some cases, choose to ignore the head covers being provided. She's free to do so.

An islamic person can, in some cases, choose not to do something about it. They're free to do so.

But neither is correct behaviour in my mind.

You can only be responsible for your own freedoms and choices. If both of the people above did the correct thing, then I think we'll all be better off.

25. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

But u are wrong, about it being a free world. U and I are lucky enough to live in democratic countries, where we enjoy a high degree of freedom. I think u know, that it is not the same in all countries.

Democracy does not equate freedom. If you believe that, then my opinion is that you don't really understand what freedom is. What a government decides to do does not have much bearing on individual choices and freedoms. Don't confuse the two. The people of Iran, or any country for that matter, is as free as the western world in that sense. How people choose to use that freedom is my point here.

A woman can, in some cases, choose to ignore the head covers being provided. She's free to do so.

An islamic person can, in some cases, choose not to do something about it. They're free to do so.

But neither is correct behaviour in my mind.

You can only be responsible for your own freedoms and choices. If both of the people above did the correct thing, then I think we'll all be better off.

What do u think an islamic person should do, if a woman does not wear a headscarf? Whip her? Put her in prison? Decide that she is a bad disrespectful woman? Needle her, in a pseudo polite way, about how she is sinning for not wearing a headscarf? If she was doing something like stealing or maybe murder, some of the above questions may be reasonably answered with a yes. If the answer is yes, about something as trivial as wearing a headscarf, then to give a yes answer to any of the above is harassment and discrimination.

26. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

But u are wrong, about it being a free world. U and I are lucky enough to live in democratic countries, where we enjoy a high degree of freedom. I think u know, that it is not the same in all countries.

Democracy does not equate freedom. If you believe that, then my opinion is that you don't really understand what freedom is. What a government decides to do does not have much bearing on individual choices and freedoms. Don't confuse the two. The people of Iran, or any country for that matter, is as free as the western world in that sense. How people choose to use that freedom is my point here.

A woman can, in some cases, choose to ignore the head covers being provided. She's free to do so.

An islamic person can, in some cases, choose not to do something about it. They're free to do so.

But neither is correct behaviour in my mind.

You can only be responsible for your own freedoms and choices. If both of the people above did the correct thing, then I think we'll all be better off.

What do u think an islamic person should do, if a woman does not wear a headscarf? Whip her?

Mel, some would argue that you need a good whipping, but something tells me you'd enjoy it

27. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Mel, some would argue that you need a good whipping, but something tells me you'd enjoy it

Yeah, in your fantasies.
I dont think this is what Kombizz meant, by women behaving badly.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 28, 2007, at 2:08 PM by Mel. ]

28. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Mel, some would argue that you need a good whipping, but something tells me you'd enjoy it

james, some would argue that you'd enjoy giving it.

Mel, read page one.

29. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting james

Mel, some would argue that you need a good whipping, but something tells me you'd enjoy it

james, some would argue that you'd enjoy giving it.

Mel, read page one.

I bet it is anti islam, to be a dirty old git, like James.
But, that deserves a thread all of its own.

30. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting james

Mel, some would argue that you need a good whipping, but something tells me you'd enjoy it

james, some would argue that you'd enjoy giving it.

Mel, read page one.

I never said that, but now that you mention it

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